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What tare the differences in these amps? I am looking for a small amp to play in an apartment, the only thing I really want as far a features are 2 switchable channels and an FX loop. Thanks.

the only difference is that the AVT is put up to be a better sounding amp because it has a single 12ax7 tube in the preamp section, but when it really comes down to it they both sound like you would expect a solid state amp to sound. for people who need a loud amp for jamming with a band and playing out, i would say to steer way clear of both of these amps. but for practice amps, they can't lets you down. someone can probably suggest something better, but i can at least say that they aren't terrible. just don't buy it if you'll want a good amp for playing loud in the future.

Buy an Avt, i have valve amps and i still love my Avt150, its loud enough for gigs, if its not then just think about it, any good sound guy will mic up the guitar amp anyway, even a stack, they sound great and a lot warmer more valve sounding than the Mg series. Marshall avt's are one of my favourite amps.

I agree with you, dude. I have avt50 and I just love the tones that it sings. Great distortions, nice break ups. I connect my zoom gfx 8 for eq and mods only. But course, try iit out yourself...

My first amp (to go with me epi dot) was an MG15 dfx. It was STINKY. Really, absolute pants. The contour control was very cool in what it could do to your sound, but other than that.....

I much prefer the sounds I can get with my V-amp on a Crunch setting, or as a model of a Mesa head, than the sounds I got just out the amp. Decent enough for a first amp, but when you want to get really decent tone, don't touch 'em with a bargepole, IMO.

i own an mg10 as a practice amp at home and play on a AVT 50 every week.
yah the mg10 ok as a practice amp (cos i practice at home on extremely low volumes..i mean like super duper low volumes), but i wouldnt get an mg again. It lacks the real marshall crunch. the avt is superior to the mg is this aspect.It has better lower ends too. i find the avt pretty good considering the fact that its only a hybrid.

it boils down to how much u wanna spend and what kinda quality you're lookin for.

If you got some cash to spare (or are willin to save up) and you're lookin got something better overall, i'll say get something like the DSL 201. Its a real valve amo,its quot;justquot; 20 watts, has two channels and and FX loop. Exactly what you're lookin for.

I own an AVT 50 Combo...it's ok for now but I eventually want a full tube amp. The gain setting on the amp is not bad at all. The amp is wicked loud too...mind you it is a hybrid amp, so an all tube amp would blow this away. Just loud enoguh to gig with i think too


Originally Posted by muttonchopsrule

for people who need a loud amp for jamming with a band and playing out, i would say to steer way clear of both of these amps. but for practice amps, they can't lets you down. I would say you're wrong.

The MG100DFX, MG100HDFX, and MG250DFX are more than loud enough. I've jammed with my MG250DFX on many a quot;loudquot; situations and it was more than loud enough.


Originally Posted by Closed EyeI would say you're wrong.

The MG100DFX, MG100HDFX, and MG250DFX are more than loud enough. I've jammed with my MG250DFX on many a quot;loudquot; situations and it was more than loud enough.

i agree that they can get loud enough. the guitarist in my old band used the 100 watt MG half stack, and it could keep up no problem. only thing is, what tone was there to begin with went right out the door when the the thing was up loud enough to be heard over drums. it got very muddy and unfocused regardless of the way he had the settings.

like i said before, i think they can make great practice amps. but for band situations, they leave something to be desired.


Originally Posted by muttonchopsrulei agree that they can get loud enough. the guitarist in my old band used the 100 watt MG half stack, and it could keep up no problem. only thing is, what tone was there to begin with went right out the door when the the thing was up loud enough to be heard over drums. it got very muddy and unfocused regardless of the way he had the settings.

Maybe he bought a lemon?

for me the main difference between solid state and tube amps lies in the quality , not the loudness.

how much are you willing to shell out so we could suggest a better alternative to these amps?

I'm thinking 300-400 bucks? Perhaps you'd be fine with a small real tube amp?

Guys,
Loudness is not the issue here, not is Tube or SS.
I have a MArshall DSL50 and a 4x12 loaded with vintage 30's and an 18 space rack of doom for playing live.
So I need to go in the opposite direction of loudness... Non- Loudness
Seriously this is only for playing in an apartment, and ANY tube amp that COULD sound great at that low of a volume is gonna be way more than I wanna spend.
I have a Peavey Rage 128 and it sounds pretty good, it just doesn't have any swithching for the 2 channels and no FX loop.
Another Peavy isn't out of the question either if yu guys have any suggestions, but ultimately, I would just like to hook up my rack stuff (FX) to a small amp and be able to switch the channels. I don't really NEED an FX loop, but my DD5 sounds like crap through the front of my Peavy rage 128.
Those amps go for about 100.00 around here and I son't want to spend much more.

The AVT has more analog, tube style sound because of the tube it uses at preamp stage. The MG is fully solid state. To be honest I made a side-by-side comparison between the AVT150 head and an all-valve JCM900 head and surprisingly the AVT rocks better. The only problem with the AVT seems to be the serious lack of crunch at smooth picking at the boost channel. And I mean totally clean sound

i guess if you need loud and for only practice amp get a MG, but if you want to use that amp for gigs or recording buy the AVT, i think that is a semi pro amp...
my 2 cents
JJ

My AVT50 Head and Cab sound great up to level 3 on the volume. turn it past 5 and you hear the harsh solid state clipping kick in. If you're looking for a decent amp to keep low, go AVT50. If you turn it up, it will crap all over your face.

Ok , it sounds like I'm gonna go with an AV50 or less, but would it sound better through my 4x12 or just get a combo.
I would automatically say the 4x12, BUT since I'm not gonna be pushing the speakers at all, I don't know.

I love my MG100DFX for home practice - it can't really hold up with the band that I'm in when we're doing live ****, but it's still a great practice amp.

It would sound 'better' through a 4x12, but for home stuff just play it on its own. If you want to jam or gig with an extension cab, then go for it tho.

Solidstate amps are good for practicing with, but when playing live a tube amp is vital in getting the amps tone complexities to cut through. Although solid state amps may have a more percussive bright clean sound and also a grittier (distortion) which I like i can never get the same sound playing live. Tube amps have a complex midrange quality which lets them cut through the mix and smoothen up when pushed into overdrive. I find that a tube amp better represents the sound of your guitar more aswell... anyway

dills