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I'm lookin to pick up a new axe....something different then I already have. Something to play metal type stuff, something light, something with a tremelo. The lead guitarist from avenged sevenfold uses a Schecter C-1 FR...and they're actually pretty cheap. Sites I found online have them for around 599. I havent really heard a lot about them....other than some people complaining aobut the strings being extremely high off the fretboard, but that can't easily be brought down right? It won't cause certain frets to buzz will it? I love the tone the dude from avenged gets (he also has a duncan invader in the bridge) so I'm seriously considering buying one. Nobody near me carries them though, and the only sites I've found selling it online seem shady to me. Anybody know anywhere online that's reliable to buy from that carries these? I've heard you can find them for 450-500 even. Anyways,here's the guitar.....

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They are a bit heavy being made of mahogany. Every and any guitar should be set up after you get it. Don't expect to buy a new guitar and have it play well, it simply doesn't happen. Most of the time when you get a guitar with a factory setup it's bad. Also, Floyd Rose bridges require a lot of maintenance. You can't down tune with them, plus and if you don't want to spend 30 minutes to an hour or more changing strings and getting it back in tune, I'd say stay away from Floyds. A hard tail guitar might be better for you. Another question is, are you really going to use the floyd, or do you like it just because someone else uses it? I've recorded all kinds of metal bands in the studio that all had guitars with Floyds, none of them ever used them, and their guitars were set up worse than sh!t. The string height was like a mile off the fretboard and the bridge was pitched way up because they have no idea how to tune or restring the guitar the right way.

With all that said, they are very good guitars and Schecter makes good stuff.

Agreed, my number one guitar has a floyd rose and i wish it didn't, i simply don't use it enough. If you don't think you need the floyd, i would stay away. Having said that schecters do get alot of praise around here, i believe DSS3 has a couple and plays metal, so hopefull he will pop in here at some point. Good value for money definately, could be a good buy.


Originally Posted by ForbesAgreed, my number one guitar has a floyd rose and i wish it didn't, i simply don't use it enough. If you don't think you need the floyd, i would stay away. Having said that schecters do get alot of praise around here, i believe DSS3 has a couple and plays metal, so hopefull he will pop in here at some point. Good value for money definately, could be a good buy.

Yeah and I should point out that he sold his Floyd equipped USA jackson in favor of a Hard tail schecter because he didn't like the floyd and the guitar didn't sound as good as the schecter for double the price.

My #1 axe has a floyd but I actually do use it, but it's still an enormous pain in the ass at times. And the tradeoff is tone. Just doesn't sound as good as a hardtail.

The neck on the C1FR is a little chunkier than most guitars with FRs. It's not really a shredder. It does sound awfully good though. If you want a trem but don't want to deal with a Floyd, check out the Ibanez SA2020.

umm.. a chunky neck doesnt mean it's not a shredder.

steve vai's neck is a tree trunk compared to other production ibanez's save for the satriani model and the new SZ or whatever type is the schechter lookalike.

as for the floyd. it has an OFR which is a LOT better than the cheap replicas. i got a schaler floyd on my charvel and i use it to the point where i think it's all gonna fall apart and it NEVER!!!!!!!! goes out of tune. quality gear treats you good.

as for buying it only cos your 'hero' has it is BS. go to a store, it doesnt need to have schechters but try one with a floyd and try a hardtail one and see which one suits you better. if you are going to use the floyd, accept no substitutes

^OK, but when most people think shredder they think thin neck, correct? So it would stand to reason that if I were trying to describe a guitar with a thick neck, I wouldn't describe it as a shredder. Hell, I know you can use just about anything for shred, but as far as trying to describe it...
Thanks for the help so far bros. The thing is, I'm not in a band. I never perform and I don't even jam with others that often. All I have is a 2x12 Line 6 flextone in my room. I go to school and work so I don't have time for a band. Thus, I'm not looking for an azming guitar, just something that sounds and plays well. Put it this way....I've been playing just a 500 epiphone les paul with a jb in the bridge and it's plenty good for where I'm at. I usually only playu at bedroom levels.

One of he main things I'm concerned with is the action. I can't stand when strings are far off the fretboard. Are you saying that if I lower the strings that I'll no longer be able to use the tremelo? The tremelo is def. one of the things I want, seeing as how I alrready have 2 hardtail guitars (lp, sg). I'm not even really familiar with how locking tremelo's work and what not.

Basically,i have about a $500-$700 price range and am looking for something that plays well, has a tremelo, that I can get a heavy sound with. I'm not looking for an amazing guitar......just something that can fit my needs for the money I'm willing to spend.

P.S. the reason I'm interested in this guitar has nothing to do with who plays it.


Originally Posted by mnbaseball91^OK, but when most people think shredder they think thin neck, correct? So it would stand to reason that if I were trying to describe a guitar with a thick neck, I wouldn't describe it as a shredder. Hell, I know you can use just about anything for shred, but as far as trying to describe it...
shredding comes from within. it is a general misconception that a thin neck is going to let you play faster. all the real shredders i know dont use thin necks. Vai has a thick neck, satch has a 60's fender replica. zakk tears a LP up. nuntius says he prefers baseball bats and he can rip it up bla bla bla yadda yadda.. i guess for the general joe schmoe a thin neck represents a shredder, but it's far from the truth.

so what i say is, go for what is comfortable for YOU and not what others say will make you play faster. because faster is NOT better all the time

plus there is the tone issue from realy thin necks. there's pretty much no wood on it and from this comes the construction stability of one etc etc etc

in the end, IMO fatter necks gt; thiner necks in all aspects

I like that guitar too but you'll have a hard time finding one that looks exactly like the one pictured there. If I remember correct the C-1 Fr now does not have neck binding and has dot inlays. A real bummer if you ask me...the one shown there is the best looking guitar Schecter ever made.

haha i was going to ask about that too. i like the dot inlays much better. i remember reading about people ordering the guitar expecting dot inlays and getting the one pictured. i figured that they stopped making the ones with the dots and started selling only the one i posted. i guess its the other way around?


Originally Posted by itbepopplesI like that guitar too but you'll have a hard time finding one that looks exactly like the one pictured there. If I remember correct the C-1 Fr now does not have neck binding and has dot inlays. A real bummer if you ask me...the one shown there is the best looking guitar Schecter ever made.

I was under the impression that the one on the Schecter site is the new version and the one with dot inlays is the old one.


Originally Posted by mnbaseball91I was under the impression that the one on the Schecter site is the new version and the one with dot inlays is the old one.

i'd hope so. if i ordered one and got one with the dots i'd throw it back a the sellers head, then burn it with him.
i HATE dot inlays! as soon as i got some money i'm getting rid of the charvels neck mainly because of the dots


Originally Posted by Daveysteve vai's neck is a tree trunk...Huh? Doesn't Vai play the Wizard neck on his JEMs? They're FAR from chunky. I agree that the Satriani and SZ neck profiles are thicker, but if I recall correctly Vai likes a pretty skinny neck.


Originally Posted by FretFireHuh? Doesn't Vai play the Wizard neck on his JEMs? They're FAR from chunky. I agree that the Satriani and SZ neck profiles are thicker, but if I recall correctly Vai likes a pretty skinny neck.

no he doesnt

check my past few threads and read them through
and i said compared to other ibanez necks. my charvel neck is i think comparable to a wizard (not profile, but thickness) the neck on evo is thicker than that


Originally Posted by Daveyno he doesnt

check my past few threads and read them through
and i said compared to other ibanez necks. my charvel neck is i think comparable to a wizard (not profile, but thickness) the neck on evo is thicker than thatWell, stock JEMs have the Wizard neck so I was just going off of that. He's had so many different necks on Evo it's ridiculous, and since he's pulled them off of other guitars, I figure they're probably a standard Ibanez profile (read: Wizard or similar). If so, it's not a thick neck by any means, they are 17-19mm at the first fret and 20-21mm at the 12th.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I fully realize that it's very possible Vai's guitars are not identical (or even close to) production models. Hell it's even been rumored that Vai's JEMs are built by Tom Anderson w/ an Ibanez logo on the headstock .


Originally Posted by FretFireWell, stock JEMs have the Wizard neck so I was just going off of that. He's had so many different necks on Evo it's ridiculous, and since he's pulled them off of other guitars, I figure they're probably a standard Ibanez profile (read: Wizard or similar). If so, it's not a thick neck by any means, they are 17-19mm at the first fret and 20-21mm at the 12th.

yea, the production models have the wizard necks, but many a signature guitar isnt what the artist actualy plays. they compromise the hardware and woods so it's cheaper to manufacture and that many people will buy it. you'd think how many kids would but a jem7wh just to realise the neck is thicker, bare wood not satin finish and couldnt play worth a damn?

EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I fully realize that it's very possible Vai's guitars are not identical (or even close to) production models. Hell it's even been rumored that Vai's JEMs are built by Tom Anderson w/ an Ibanez logo on the headstock .

it's very possible that at least the necks have been ghost built to his specs (profile i think is based on the green meanie) it is 100% not the wizard neck. like said, my guitar has about the same thickness, but more of a rounded profile, evo has the same profile (maybe even more rounded, i'd have to compare them side by side) but it is thicker than mine, that i am positive

as for him having many diferent necks.. that you cant be 100% sure.. maybe just the fretboards have been diferent or it was replaced in a hurry cos he had no proper neck with him


Originally Posted by milkandmeatThanks for the help so far bros. The thing is, I'm not in a band. I never perform and I don't even jam with others that often. All I have is a 2x12 Line 6 flextone in my room. I go to school and work so I don't have time for a band. Thus, I'm not looking for an azming guitar, just something that sounds and plays well. Put it this way....I've been playing just a 500 epiphone les paul with a jb in the bridge and it's plenty good for where I'm at. I usually only playu at bedroom levels.

One of he main things I'm concerned with is the action. I can't stand when strings are far off the fretboard. Are you saying that if I lower the strings that I'll no longer be able to use the tremelo? The tremelo is def. one of the things I want, seeing as how I alrready have 2 hardtail guitars (lp, sg). I'm not even really familiar with how locking tremelo's work and what not.

Basically,i have about a $500-$700 price range and am looking for something that plays well, has a tremelo, that I can get a heavy sound with. I'm not looking for an amazing guitar......just something that can fit my needs for the money I'm willing to spend.

P.S. the reason I'm interested in this guitar has nothing to do with who plays it.haha bump

Yeah, dude they have a way of gettin' way off topic. The schector is a good one, and you can learn to use the Floyd Rose bridge pretty quickly.
I've had several guitars with locking nuts/floating trems, and since you've got 2 hardtails I say you should go for the floyd.

You can lower the action on that schector, it probably won't come set-up really well stock, so either you or someone who works with guitars could adjust it and make it easier to play.

There are a lot of other people around here who can help you with adjusting the action and learning have to set-up a floyd rose bridge.as for places to check, you could try or any guitar store around your area. I like shopping at local stores because you can talk to a real person and they can help you find a good guitar for you.

Rock On!


Originally Posted by Daveyas for him having many diferent necks.. that you cant be 100% sure.. maybe just the fretboards have been diferent or it was replaced in a hurry cos he had no proper neck with himThis it talks about on his site, Evo has had the neck broken several times (once while throwing it offstage to his tech, and the cable got caught in the strap and yanked Evo to the floor). There's a cool expose on Evo at vai.com, if you go to the guitars section.

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