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I finally got rid of my Marshall a couple of weeks ago for 650Euros!!
Thank God. The great thing is that the guy who bought it really liked it so it was a win-win situation. I thought that it sucked compared to the great boutique stuff out there and OLD Marshalls.
Never gonna buy a New Marshall again. NEVER!
Bad quality in my opinion. Sorry if I get on some peoples nerves but that’s how I feel. Don’t get me wrong but the old Marshall sounds are what I fell in love with, but those usually are from old great built Marshalls, not the new crap. Anything after the JCM800’s is #$@#$%@. Except for the Hand Wired Series which is so expensive that you probably are better off getting a new boutique amp that will do the marshall thing and more or just buy a JMP marshall and mod it.

Just wanted to share the good news to you. I thought that people would hear the amp and just turn away. Whew!
My wife was funny cause she said to me after I sold it “aren’t you sad that you sold your amp?” and I looked at her like “no way are you nuts babes?”

whew!



how's your wife usually with amps and stuff? you're in the good books for a bit now, get your next amp while it lasts!

either way, you're bang on with the JCM 800 or JTM series.. best tone i've ever personally got was a JTM 45 with a MIJ SD-1 and a spina DS-1.. and duncans.. anyone ever feel the need to swap with me, shoot me a PM

tom



Don't you think it's a little rough when you're judging a company's entire line because of one bad experience with one amp?

I'm not familiar with the amp you're talking about, but I've heard really nice stuff come out of the JCM2000 amps.

The Golden Boy

Don't you think it's a little rough when you're judging a company's entire line because of one bad experience with one amp?

I might man, but sorry that is my opinion on these amps. I definately think that old marshalls rock. but the new ones for the price they go at in my opinion you could get alot better than the quality and tone which they offer.

just do a search on amps that are in the 1500-2000$ range and see what you can get. from VHT to Soldano and more. Marshalls are in this price range and i dont think that they deserve to be in it. If they were lower yes but not at this price range. at that price range you are totally paying for the name, not the quality in my view.
The Handwired series is great but aside from Marshall being at least 10 years too late in bringing them out they are one trick ponies. Other companies have made these years ago and have made improvements plus options. I think ill make a thread of this actually cause i think it is pretty interesting.

JTM's are not new marshalls though. They discontinued 'em 10 years ago.

It was a crappy amp design. They redesigned 'em. Problem solved. You just were not aware of the issues when you bought it.

I don't care what you buy or don't buy, but even *I* as much as I prefer old (OLD) Marshalls will admit even the newer stuff can get some nice tones if ya play with 'em long enough(especially the DSL).

Good thing Ford amp; Chevy were not judged solely on the quality of the Pinto amp; the Chevette


Originally Posted by The Golden BoyI've heard really nice stuff come out of the JCM2000 amps.

I second this motion simply because I use one and the tones are great. Unfortunetely, I need to sell it for other reasons not being quot;I don't like the amp.quot; When I do sell it, my JCM will be sorely missed.

Tv.

oh no, then whadda bout' the JCM900s ? since its mentioned that anything after the 800s are *#$@!*


Originally Posted by DesertRoseoh no, then whadda bout' the JCM900s ? since its mentioned that anything after the 800s are *#$@!*

Let's not get started down that road. It's been hashed out before.

alright. I see that you owned one too.. so , i'll just hold my peace

thanks

I still own it.

900s are hit or miss in my experience. Early models w/ EL34s being the only ones I really cared for, and then matching it with some good speakers w/ thump (since 900's in general don't have the bottom end of 800s and prior).

Marshall's are kinda like Gibsons. You gotta go through a few to get the quot;magicquot; one (regardless of model designation),....but when ya do...WHOAA


Originally Posted by JeffB900s are hit or miss in my experience. Early models w/ EL34s being the only ones I really cared for, and then matching it with some good speakers w/ thump (since 900's in general don't have the bottom end of 800s and prior).

Marshall's are kinda like Gibsons. You gotta go through a few to get the quot;magicquot; one (regardless of model designation),....but when ya do...WHOAA

thing is with marshalls (jcm800 and before), you could just mod it with a metroamp board or similar, replacing components to get killer tone. but most gibsons that aren't great can't be made into great guitars

thing is i agree with all of the above but i still think there are many companies who do Marshall better than Marshall nowadays without having that hit or miss.

im just glad that the guy who bought it liked it and i loved the fact that i got rid of it.
i wouldnt want to sell it to someone who was iffy and then turned to me and said he got a bad deal. know what i mean? i have a bit of a moral issue with stuff like that. Unlike some companies out there.

sorry but dont you think that it is pretty pathetic that a company like Marshall came out with an amp that had a crapola design that was faulty by overheating???
Any amp builders out there to vouch for me on this one?
how pathetic to your design skills have to be to accomplish this?
im not sure so someone tell me.
i personally think that it is bad quality control. and like i said pathetic from such company. it is one thing to build and amp that people dont like but another to have a design flaw which leads to the amp killing itself.
Sorry if that annoys people but that is what i think.
like i said that Marshall sound is what made me fall in love with guitar music a while back but this to me is unacceptable.

I own a JTM60 (3x10) and I've mixed opinions on them. They do have inherent problems that do seem to be unacceptable from a company with Marshall's standing.
sorry but dont you think that it is pretty pathetic that a company like Marshall came out with an amp that had a crapola design that was faulty by overheating???
Any amp builders out there to vouch for me on this one?
how pathetic to your design skills have to be to accomplish this?
im not sure so someone tell me.

There's a reasonably straight forward fix to the infamous over-heating problem, I won't go into it because it could quickly get boring. I heard it from Jeff Seal here, in the Forum.

Despite the JTM's faults I think it still deserves it's due. Marshall (and all other amp builders) have to cut costs to be able to release amps in this sort of price range. Although the ongoing problems with my amp have infuriated me at times I still acknowledge that without these 'lower-spec' designs, I woundn't be able to afford a valve amp. You can't pay JTM money and expect SLP reliability, it doesn't add up.

You have to ask yourself when you're buying an amp for £400, why? Why is this so much cheaper than Marshall's flagship stuff?
I thought that it sucked compared to the great boutique stuff out there and OLD Marshalls.
Never gonna buy a New Marshall again. NEVER!

The irony here is that the 'old' stuff is treasured so highly by guitarists because it does something it was designed specifically not to do. Marshall crunch came about because Marshall severely ****ed up on designing the 'old' stuff. The amps were supposed to stay clean at high volumes. I think based on this it's hard to critisise Marshall (and all the other amp builders who've survived since the 50's/60's) for building worse amps these days. If you consider the issue objectively from the stand point of how well the amps achieve what they were intended to, then the new stuff is much better. Almost everything that we think of as good now in terms of 'tone' came about because of the designing incompetence of the big amp builders. They got lucky, they were never great at making amps.

hey benja,

dont you remeber we talked about that mod that Scott told you about?

did that work for you finally? something about removing the rectifier or something like that, right?

look i just think that the number cruncher guy got in an said something likequot; hey we can make way more money if we aim our products to a younger crowd that doesnt need such high qualityquot; cause of course they are a larger market than pro players are. and that is what they did without really focusing on higher end stuff.

that amp actually went for around 1000euro back then so it wasnt quite cheap either, dont you think?

i mean fender does the same thing in a way but they have products for high end playerd and lower end. they have a custom shop which i totally respect.

even their lower end stuff like the blues jr. is pretty damn well built.
i just find no reason to buy new marshall stuff at the price and for what it offers.
Non of the TONE FREAKS and i mean NONE play new marshalls. Eric Johnson, George Lynch, Van Halen, Vai ( even though im not crazy bout his tone), Shencker, Uli Roth, Stevie Ray, etc...

isnt that the truth?

Hi Tone?,

I do agree with you. Sorry if my last post seemed like I was attacking you, it wasn't my intention at all.

I think you're right. Marshall and Fender, and the others, are big businesses now. If they can get away with the 'short-cuts' that are so common place now, they will. Stuff like mounting the valves to the PCB board. But I don't think the JTM range was ever intended to be for professional use. The point I was trying to make was that if the only amps that were available were the high-end custom shop Mesa's/Fender's/(insert favourite amp builder here) then the truth is I wouldn't have an amp. For this reason I'm grateful that the big companies have found a way to produce cheaper (albeit, lower quality) amps. It's unfair to make comparisons between two amps that were built for very different reasons.

My second point was that it amuses me a little when people rave on about how brilliant Marshall and Fender use to be when they were terrible at what they were trying to do. They just got lucky in that guitars players decided that they actually quite liked the sound of the amps breaking. People are so ready to critisise the big companies because they keep getting it wrong these days. I think realistically, they NEVER got it right, it's just that last time they got lucky.