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i'm going to build me one
i'll post more about it when i get to it, but i'd like to know a couple of things

(not about the building itself, cos i already got all the help i need)

but, which 2x12 cabs do you prefer (and why)
please no discussion about why a 4x12 is better etc etc, i'd like to know about people and 2x12 guys. especially from the not so metal crowd and the metal crowd that cant afford or doesnt play venues where they could use a 4x12
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....anyway. we're talking 2 designs here.
#1 standing cab (one speaker above the other) with the top speaker slant
#2 laying cab speakers next to eachother.

when you put #1 and #2 next to eachother, #1 is 2quot; taller than #2, at the bottom it's about 3quot; deeper (and of course not as deep at the top) #2 is for 2quot; wider. both are closed backs, made of solid wood (how thick, i dont know yet, but about 5/8 to app. 7/8)speaker choices are V30's and greenback 25's for now, but that dont matter since both speakers are available for the 2 designs and i'd like y'all to focus on that.

so, discuss. #1 or #2. and please tell me why. also, if you'd make any smaller changes to it, dont hesitate to tell

bah... stupid moron.. forgot to tick off the poll option (admins, could i get a poll? or do i have to post again? .. just 2 things. vote for #1 and vote for #2)
also, i'll post some pics of the drawings for you folken

I've had both #1 and #2 options, and greatly prefer the #1 upright option.

My current cabis better than any cab I've ever owned, granted I've only owned a few 2X12quot; and 1 4X12quot; but anyway, it's great, I think you should build it with a design similar to mine.

Rock On!

k. thanks.. i'll definately build one upright one for myself

i'd like to know which ones people would prefer buying overall. looks amp; sound vise

cos i'm probably going to build a couple to get some side cash cos i'm gonna spend a freakin lot this year (laptop this week amp; netwrok hub) and the rhoads at the end of the year.. gotta get some cash back somehow

#1 IMO looks cooler and i think disperses the sound better than #2 (which is easier to make but that's not the point here)

I like option #2 (side by side) because my head simply just fits better on top of it. Of the ones I've played through (can't remember them all), I liked the Marshall 1922 and 1936 the best. Of course, I haven't played through an Avatar yet but have heard nothing but wonderful things about them.

Kac:

Hey man .. your stack is SOLID COOL. 1st time seeing one


Originally Posted by DesertRoseKac:

Hey man .. your stack is SOLID COOL. 1st time seeing one

I'm a big fan of it myself.

Davey, I see what you're saying here... Personally I think you could probably sell 'em both about evenly, but if you were trying to sell 'em at exactly the same price, I think people would prefer the upright, as long as it was wide enough to set their head on.

Since that would require more wood, and more work, the upright would cost more to build, so it's pretty hard to determine what might generate the most profit...

rock On ~!~


Originally Posted by KacI'm a big fan of it myself.

Davey, I see what you're saying here... Personally I think you could probably sell 'em both about evenly, but if you were trying to sell 'em at exactly the same price, I think people would prefer the upright, as long as it was wide enough to set their head on.

Since that would require more wood, and more work, the upright would cost more to build, so it's pretty hard to determine what might generate the most profit...

rock On ~!~

thing with this is, you pretty much cant make a 2x12 wide enough so it a normal head would fit on it and not look over it. i'm looking at somehting around 16 to 18quot; wide (probably 18) so the head would definately 'hang' over

about building it.. i can get the wood pretty damn cheap for one or two (if not for free) so that's not a biggie.. i also got a line on celestions so i could get them at a good price also taking the shipping doesnt kill me 1st.. plus, i'd be selling em at the 350 to 400 mark.

localy at 1st, but definately make a webpage about it and see if they spark up any interest

A 2X12 with the speakers side by side is wide enough for a full size head, and is usually the same depth as a 4X12. The vertical 2X12's, yeah, heads will hang off. I personally think there is a bigger market for the side by side models simply because folks not only get them for their heads but also for their combos and the natural tendency is to stack the combo on top of the cab.

What kind of wood are you going to use?
How are you going to join the sides, top and bottom?

Just curious because I'll be in the market for a 2X12 again soon. Wish I still had the old dinosaur I sold. That sucker could've be thrown off a building and still be in one piece.

I like my Marshall and Vox side by side 2x12quot;s. Granted, I've never played a horizontal 2x12quot;, but they just look a bit weird to me.


Originally Posted by ErikHWhat kind of wood are you going to use?
How are you going to join the sides, top and bottom?

Just curious because I'll be in the market for a 2X12 again soon. Wish I still had the old dinosaur I sold. That sucker could've be thrown off a building and still be in one piece.

dont know how to explain it properly.. glued zig zag wood joint

wood i dont know yet.. like said i have to discuss the options with some other people who got more experience with this.


Originally Posted by Daveydont know how to explain it properly.. glued zig zag wood joint

wood i dont know yet.. like said i have to discuss the options with some other people who got more experience with this.

From what you're describing, finger joint. That's the strongest way with some additional bracing along the joint on the inside.

dont know how to explain it properly.. glued zig zag wood joint

I think he means a dove-tail joint. Is that the samething as a finger joint? I thought the difference between a dove-tail and a finger joint was that the finger joint is held by the glue while the dove tail joint is held by it's own friction with the glue to support it further.


Originally Posted by benjaturnerI think he means a dove-tail joint. Is that the samething as a finger joint? I thought the difference between a dove-tail and a finger joint was that the finger joint is held by the glue while the dove tail joint is held by it's own friction with the glue to support it further.

it's the latter


Originally Posted by benjaturnerI think he means a dove-tail joint. Is that the samething as a finger joint? I thought the difference between a dove-tail and a finger joint was that the finger joint is held by the glue while the dove tail joint is held by it's own friction with the glue to support it further.

Dove-tail joints are different. A finger joint is what Marshall uses on their caps. They call it quot;finger lockingquot;.

from : localhost/talking about this type of joint*EDIT*

from : localhost/toneninja.net/swanson/amp1.jpg

this be the joint

Yup, that's a finger joint, or quot;finger lockingquot;. Nice.

just FYI that's not the cab i'll build.. that's the cab scott_f used for the franklin

I like horizontal cabs better, because I use regular sized heads. Speakers mounted on top of eachother would make it (almost) as big as a 4x12, which I don't want because of the size. Tonewise I've always felt 2x12s always have a smashing bottom end. The best mass production cab I can think of would be the oversized 2x12 Bogner. The old Marshalls were very good as well, I got me one of those in an awesome condition and made out of birchwood plywood as well. I'm not really looking for a cab because my oversized Bogner 1x12 doesnt have a head yet, but just thought I'd share my thoughts

thanks man =)i need the measurements of the laney head i'm going to buy (if it's in working condition) and check out some other stuff, then i'll be able to put out some real numbers for the vertical one

as for the horizontal one, it's back to the drawing board as i got a couple of new ideas for it.
more tomorrow