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Can anyone compare the construction and sound of these p/ups? Thanks.


Originally Posted by MilloCan anyone compare the construction and sound of these p/ups? Thanks.
duncan AH= alnico 5 magnet,16K
carvin = 8.6K ALNICO 5they sound NOTHING ALIKE!
the carvin is a paf type

These represent the two classic approaches to getting the overwound PAF tone: Make it pretty close to the real thing with #42 wire and get your beef from the wind pattern, or just put a heavy #43 wire wind on it with a wind pattern geared toward emphasizing treble response to balance out the beefed up mids of the high resistance coil.

Either way can work, though I think getting that tone out of a vintage wind is -- ironically enough -- harder, at least if all the PAF-clones I've tried are any indication, which is why I got hot for the Hybrid (1 hot coil 1 vintage) craze that was in here for a while and had a guy custom-make me a hybrid that turned out REALLY well. (It's either that or the sound in my head isn't really an overwound PAF tone at all, which is certainly possible.) The attempts at vintage winds tend to sound too thin and jangly to my ear, though that's probably because there isn't much to choose from over 8.5k or so.

I know that Carvin and Holdsworth worked together on not only the Carvin pickup, but of course the two Holdsworth guitar designs. I don't know if Seymour worked directly with Alan or not.

Guys, thanks for your replies.

Carvin's H22 (Holdsworth) pickups are unpotted, I think. Should that be a concern w/ usage on a solidbody, and a tube amp at higher distortion levels?

Where can I find the specs for the SD's? I think they're based on the '59, but overwound, or w/ bigger magnets, and w/ 12 adjustable pole pieces. As far as I know, these are not mass-produced, but I think these are the ones Allan uses for his solidbody DeLap guitars, not the Carvins.


Originally Posted by MilloGuys, thanks for your replies.

Carvin's H22 (Holdsworth) pickups are unpotted, I think. Should that be a concern w/ usage on a solidbody, and a tube amp at higher distortion levels?

Where can I find the specs for the SD's? As far as I know, these are not mass-produced, but I think these are the ones Allan uses for his solidbody DeLap guitars, not the Carvins.

My bud uses the carvin stuff and they are definitely pottedhere are the specs for the duncan AHDo you still make the Allan Holdsworth Model pickup?
Yes, we do but on a custom order basis now. The Holdsworth Model or SH-AH1 was developed to produce the subtleties of Allan's fluid style of playing. Built with mirror-image coils and adjustable screws for extra midrange strength and excellent sustain. It has our conductor cable and is available in white, zebra and black. This pickup costs $140 retail and Custom Shop orders have an 8 week leadtime.

ALNICO 5 magnet
16.3K

here are some reviews also,

from : localhost/www.harmony-central.com/Guita...SH-AH1-01.html

from : localhost/www.harmony-central.com/Guita...sworth-01.html


Originally Posted by WICKED LESTERMy bud uses the carvin stuff and they are definitely pottedhere are the specs for the duncan AHDo you still make the Allan Holdsworth Model pickup?
Yes, we do but on a custom order basis now. The Holdsworth Model or SH-AH1 was developed to produce the subtleties of Allan's fluid style of playing. Built with mirror-image coils and adjustable screws for extra midrange strength and excellent sustain. It has our conductor cable and is available in white, zebra and black. This pickup costs $140 retail and Custom Shop orders have an 8 week leadtime.

ALNICO 5 magnet
16.3K

here are some reviews also,

from : localhost/sounds an awful lot like the JB to me. How does it compare tone wise?


Originally Posted by MilloGuys, thanks for your replies.

Carvin's H22 (Holdsworth) pickups are unpotted, I think. Should that be a concern w/ usage on a solidbody, and a tube amp at higher distortion levels?

Where can I find the specs for the SD's? I think they're based on the '59, but overwound, or w/ bigger magnets, and w/ 12 adjustable pole pieces. As far as I know, these are not mass-produced, but I think these are the ones Allan uses for his solidbody DeLap guitars, not the Carvins.

Allan never used his signature pup. It's way too hot. He uses a custom shop pup for his DeLap's that is closest to a 59N wind with double rows of screws but puts it in the bridge position (its the only one for him, no neck pups). He also uses 250k pots and a resistor and also lowers his volume pot then boost his signal to the amp.


Originally Posted by FaradayAllan never used his signature pup. It's way too hot. He uses a custom shop pup for his DeLap's that is closest to a 59N wind with double rows of screws but puts it in the bridge position (its the only one for him, no neck pups). He also uses 250k pots and a resistor and also lowers his volume pot then boost his signal to the amp.

You mean he never used the Duncan signature p/up, but the custom shop one? 250k, huh? I've heard of other guitarists using 350k pots for humbuckers, does this give a out sweeter mellower tone?

Here's a guess. He's a carvin endorsee and carvin pickups have a very unique look. He probably uses duncans in his guitars and had them made to look like carvin pickups so Carvin wouldn't throw a fit.

In the most general sense and from my own experience, I find Carvin pickups to sound like crap.


Originally Posted by MilloYou mean he never used the Duncan signature p/up, but the custom shop one? 250k, huh? I've heard of other guitarists using 350k pots for humbuckers, does this give a out sweeter mellower tone?

darkens it a bit

I had a Carvin with H22s in it. The tone was totally not happening IMO, thus the quot;I HAD a Carvin...quot;. I swapped the pickups out and improved the tone, but I was not impressed with the guitar OR the pickups. too bad, it was a sweet looking axe...

I live in LA and Allan plays here a lot(he lives in Vista near San Diego). I've seen him at least 10 times in the past 5 years. He NEVER plays the Carvin guitar on stage. He ALWAYS plays the steiny. Draw your own conclusions...

Mike


Originally Posted by msawitzkeI had a Carvin with H22s in it. The tone was totally not happening IMO, thus the quot;I HAD a Carvin...quot;. I swapped the pickups out and improved the tone, but I was not impressed with the guitar OR the pickups. too bad, it was a sweet looking axe...

I live in LA and Allan plays here a lot(he lives in Vista near San Diego). I've seen him at least 10 times in the past 5 years. He NEVER plays the Carvin guitar on stage. He ALWAYS plays the steiny. Draw your own conclusions...

Mike

I'm in the same quot;hadquot; a carvin boat. Never again. Though I must admit I like my carvin legacy amp.


Originally Posted by ZhangliqunThese represent the two classic approaches to getting the overwound PAF tone: Make it pretty close to the real thing with #42 wire and get your beef from the wind pattern, or just put a heavy #43 wire wind on it with a wind pattern geared toward emphasizing treble response to balance out the beefed up mids of the high resistance coil.

Just for the record, #43 wire is finer (a smaller diameter) than #42...but because it's finer you can get more turns of wire around the coil resulting in a hotter pickup. Lew

Yeah, I have two Carvin guitars, actually. I like the axes, not necessarily the pups, but to be honest I'm fairly a quot;newbiequot; when it comes to electrics. Although I think my older Carvin is beyond 'salvation' when it comes to taming its brightness (DC127C), I like my newer one.

The newer one is an all-mahogany bolt-on kit (Bolt-Plus, actually), but I have it wired w/ two Lace Sensor duallies. I never put the p/ups I ordered for it: a C22B and H22T. I've decided to put a Custom Custom and Alnico 2 on my recently acquired Ibanez Prestige, but I want something different for the Carvin kit --maybe not SD, or Carvin or DiMarzio.... maybe I'll go the 'custom' route and order some of those 'high order' p/ups. That is, unless I fall in love w/ the SD's on the Ibanez.

I was asking, since I really like that type of Holdsworth-y distorted tone. Other tones I love: Robben Ford (not his earlier tone), EVH's 1984, AC/DC's Back in Black, Eric Johnson...

Xeromus and Mike: what Carvin guitar did you guys have?


Originally Posted by FaradayAllan never used his signature pup. It's way too hot. He uses a custom shop pup for his DeLap's that is closest to a 59N wind with double rows of screws but puts it in the bridge position (its the only one for him, no neck pups). He also uses 250k pots and a resistor and also lowers his volume pot then boost his signal to the amp.

Really? I wonder why Allan and SD didn't just 'get it right' and work on it till he was happy. It seems odd to sell an AH humbucker for years and have the artist himself not like it or use it. What was the point of it if it isn't really an 'artist pickup'?

BTW I have seen Allan a few times- the first time he used a DeLap headless (not a Steinberger), the 2nd time it looked like a stock Carvin (not the fatboy). He said on the Carvin DVD he wished Carvin had a headless version, and that they are working on one.
I never liked 24 frets on a guitar, so I never really was interested in his Carvin. He never uses the neck pickup, but gets a warm sound. I always have to use the neck pickup to get warm sounds.