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I have chosen to upgrade the bridge pickup in my RG with a distortion. My RG has a floyd trem, so I'm thinking I need the trembuker version of the DD, but from the spec's it looks like a different pickup than the normal spaced DD. What difference can I expect from the floyd spaced DD? Any input will be a great help.

Hi the DD is a good choice for a replacement in an Ibanez RG. I think you'll want to go with a trem spaced version just so the pole pieces line up correctly. Others on here claim it doesn't affect tone too much but it can cause drop offs on the high E if the poles are off far enough and you bend alot.

As for tone difference, there is none. All trembuckers are exactly like the standard spaced versions as far as tone and specs. You may be referring to the difference between the DD and the Parallell Axis Distortion which is a completely different pickup. So having said that....good choice and good luck with that trem spaced DD.

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People got along just fine before anyone thought of the trem spacing ...
If you wanna be anal about it, tho, defintely go for the trem spaced.

There is no sonic difference between the 2 versions of the same pup, tho.


Originally Posted by Fusion1As for tone difference, there is none. All trembuckers are exactly like the standard spaced versions as far as tone and specs.

I wouldn't be so sure. The Trembuckers will either have more wire on them, or less turns. The former will change the tone, the latter will change the output.

Since the bobbin is longer, it takes more wire to make a complete turn. Yeah, it's a miniscule amount but you also have to multiply it by 5000 or more turns.

FWIW I've found the Trembuckers to usually sound BETTER than the regulars, but that's anecdotal.


Originally Posted by Fusion1Others on here claim it doesn't affect tone too much but it can cause drop offs on the high E if the poles are off far enough and you bend alot.

If you're bending Es, you'd be bending them toward the poles, not away - would you not?


Originally Posted by AdmiralBI wouldn't be so sure. The Trembuckers will either have more wire on them, or less turns. The former will change the tone, the latter will change the output.

Since the bobbin is longer, it takes more wire to make a complete turn. Yeah, it's a miniscule amount but you also have to multiply it by 5000 or more turns.

FWIW I've found the Trembuckers to usually sound BETTER than the regulars, but that's anecdotal.

Interesting stuff ...

Does anyone know if this is quantifiable?

I have a PATB2 Distortion pickup for sale on Ebay its at $55 as of today.


Originally Posted by AdmiralBIf you're bending Es, you'd be bending them toward the poles, not away - would you not?

I wondered about that myself.

Looking at the tone chart, it looks like the normal spaced DD has a resistance of 16.6 K where as the trembucker version looks like it's 21K and change. It also looks like the resonant frequency is different. On the the tone chart I'm looking at the distortion trembucker specs, is that the same as a trem spaced DD?

Hey I just answered my own question after reading what Fusion1 posted. I was confused by that parallell axis trembucker. Thanks Fusion1. Trem spaced DD it is. Rock on my fellow toners.

Hey sac; I think you already figured this out, but just to be sure, there is a Distortion pup thats tremspaced, and there's a Distortion Trembucker. Two completely different pups.

Sorry, if you already got this.

Hey Artitoo. I finally got my head straight, but thanks for the follow up.


Originally Posted by AdmiralBIf you're bending Es, you'd be bending them toward the poles, not away - would you not?

True for some people but I actually bend both ways.

Also the poles are mismatched that the drop offs would happen when you're normally playing and get stronger if you bend the high E towards the low E which may not be desireable.


Originally Posted by AdmiralBI wouldn't be so sure. The Trembuckers will either have more wire on them, or less turns. The former will change the tone, the latter will change the output.

Since the bobbin is longer, it takes more wire to make a complete turn. Yeah, it's a miniscule amount but you also have to multiply it by 5000 or more turns.

FWIW I've found the Trembuckers to usually sound BETTER than the regulars, but that's anecdotal.

Would the windings be less since the bobbin is longer to get the same net result? Seems like the difference would be nil if the length of wire was the same which would be a different amount of winds but same difference since the length of wire is the same.

Then again I may have answered my own question as if you had double sized bobbin with only 2500 wraps I dont think the resistance would be the same as the normal sized bobbin with 5000 winds, if both pickups had the same length of say 10,000 feet of wire. Surely someone here knows more about this than I can even pretend to.

The two E strings will sound equally as strong and as loud as the other 4 strings with the Trembucker.

If the two E strings are not over the polepieces (as is the case with a standrad spaced Gibson style humbucker in the bridge position of a Strat) they will sound weaker than if they were over polepieces.

The difference is obvious...anyone with an ear for tone can hear the improvement in tone from the two E strings with the Trembucker.


Originally Posted by Fusion1Would the windings be less since the bobbin is longer to get the same net result? Seems like the difference would be nil if the length of wire was the same which would be a different amount of winds but same difference since the length of wire is the same.

When you wind pickups you don't say quot;I want to put 14K on herequot;, you say quot;I want to put 5000 turns on herequot;. Resistance is what is, based upon the bobbin size, wire gauge, and number of turns (and maybe winding style).

If the TB-6 and the SH-6 have the same number of turns (and I bet they do), then they will have the same output voltage, even though the TB-6 will have a higher DC resistance (and probably a somewhat different sound).

If they are wound to the same DCR, then the TB-6 *must* have fewer turns, therefore less output.


Originally Posted by AdmiralBWhen you wind pickups you don't say quot;I want to put 14K on herequot;, you say quot;I want to put 5000 turns on herequot;. Resistance is what is, based upon the bobbin size, wire gauge, and number of turns (and maybe winding style).

If the TB-6 and the SH-6 have the same number of turns (and I bet they do), then they will have the same output voltage, even though the TB-6 will have a higher DC resistance (and probably a somewhat different sound).

If they are wound to the same DCR, then the TB-6 *must* have fewer turns, therefore less output.

I will compare the DC Resistance of some standard pickups and thier Trembucker counterparts tonight and let you all know what I find out.

If the DC Resistance of the Trembucker version is higher than the standard version then it's probably a safe bet that the number of turns are being counted and are the same in both pickups, resulting in a longer wire and higher DC resistance in the TB version.

If the DC Resistance of the Trembucker version is the same as the standard version, then the logical assumption would be that the Trembucker has the same length of wire but fewer turns...OR: that the two bobbins are the same size.

Since the wire is wound directly around the pole pieces and the polepieces are set wider apart in the Trembucker, the logical assumption would be that the coil would be wider in the Trembucker.

But as I said in my earlier post, the biggest benefit of the Trembucker is what Duncan has always used as their advertising for the Trembucker: getting your E strings back!

Lew


Originally Posted by LewguitarIf the two E strings are not over the polepieces (as is the case with a standrad spaced Gibson style humbucker in the bridge position of a Strat) they will sound weaker than if they were over polepieces.

The difference is obvious...anyone with an ear for tone can hear the improvement in tone from the two E strings with the Trembucker.

Hmmm . . . I was just mentioning, a week or so ago, about the problem on my Genny, with the output of the high E string being lower than the others. I just looked, and sure enough, the E string is not lined up with the pole piece in either the QP or the C5. Not even close!

I wonder if there's any way to quot;fixquot; this, without buying a new bridge or pup.
Maybe I can trade a C5 for a trembucker in the Trading Post.


Originally Posted by ArtieTooHmmm . . . I was just mentioning, a week or so ago, about the problem on my Genny, with the output of the high E string being lower than the others. I just looked, and sure enough, the E string is not lined up with the pole piece in either the QP or the C5. Not even close!

I wonder if there's any way to quot;fixquot; this, without buying a new bridge or pup.
Maybe I can trade a C5 for a trembucker in the Trading Post.

I dunno! I'd try. It always surprises me when guys say they can't hear the difference. Glad you're one who CAN hear the diff Artie!