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OK so maybe it wasn't so secret... or really a lust... but I was watching a bunch of Pantera videos and in one performance of The Art Of Shredding live, there wasn't a single Randall on the stage... the only amps there were MARSHALL JCM 900's!! I couldn't believe it. Can anyone explain this?

If I remember correctly, those weren't his amps....one of the other bands in that show used them and they were left on stage during the Pantera performance.

yeah. there was a ton of bands on the monsters of rock tour, they just kept the same amps up onstage

He most likely still used a Randall, but with it sitting off the stage with a mic in front of it or with it plugged in to a Marshall on the stage.

He absolutely loved tubes but couldn't get his tone out of them with the amount of gain he wanted, until Krank Amps came calling.

I don't really associate tube amps with Dime tone. What's the point of using an antiquated technology that is less reliable, more expensive and more fragile if the tone you are seeking (Dime) is nearly the definition of SS tone?


Originally Posted by PFDarksideI don't really associate tube amps with Dime tone. What's the point of using an antiquated technology that is less reliable, more expensive and more fragile if the tone you are seeking (Dime) is nearly the definition of SS tone?

If you're after Dime's tone you'd be stupid to look for it in a tube amp.

On the other hand, Dime's tone wasn't all that good.....it basically sounds like a Boss stompbox going into a big power amp. Hardly anything to strive for, or spend money on aquiring.


Originally Posted by screamingdaisyIf you're after Dime's tone you'd be stupid to look for it in a tube amp.

On the other hand, Dime's tone wasn't all that good.....it basically sounds like a Boss stompbox going into a big power amp. Hardly anything to strive for, or spend money on aquiring. 1 exactly what I was thinking.


Originally Posted by PFDarksideWhat's the point of using an antiquated technology that is less reliable, more expensive and more fragile

I'm guesing you've never had to replace power transistors in a SS amp. It's neither easy nor cheap.

I'll stick with my antiquated technology where a new fuse and tube swap will get back up and running 99% of the time. Did I mention that my SS amp died during the soundcheck for a gig?

I get more solid state amps in my shop then tube amps, and the tube amps are easier to fix and usually cheaper(except for new trannies). Solid state may be newer, but its def not more reliable or easier to fix.


Originally Posted by bvc310I get more solid state amps in my shop then tube amps, and the tube amps are easier to fix and usually cheaper(except for new trannies). Solid state may be newer, but its def not more reliable or easier to fix.

Not to disagree with an experienced tech, but I would still say that SS is more reliable, and much more difficult to break. You can't shatter anything inside a SS amp just by bumping or dropping it, at least that's to the best of my knowledge.


Originally Posted by Metalman_666You can't shatter anything inside a SS amp just by bumping or dropping it, at least that's to the best of my knowledge.

You have to be pretty abusive to break glass in a tube amp. UPS ships hundreds of tube amps every day and only manages to break a few.

I know the history behind why he didn't use tubes, and also now that I think about it it's probably true that it was a different band's amp. HOWEVER, how then does one explain the appearance of a few Marshalls on the stage on Pantera's greatest hits DVD, in the live videos for Domination and Primal Concrete Sledge filmed on their Cowboys From Hell tour? Is it possible that those too could be for another band?? Is it possible that Dime would never have even touched a tube amp for layering purposes, live or recorded?

I know a bunch of bands Terry Date started working with after he'd worked with Pantera went the solid state route (Prong, for instance). Terry was a big advocate of SS for downtuned stuff.


Originally Posted by Metalman_666I know the history behind why he didn't use tubes, and also now that I think about it it's probably true that it was a different band's amp. HOWEVER, how then does one explain the appearance of a few Marshalls on the stage on Pantera's greatest hits DVD, in the live videos for Domination and Primal Concrete Sledge filmed on their Cowboys From Hell tour? Is it possible that those too could be for another band?? Is it possible that Dime would never have even touched a tube amp for layering purposes, live or recorded?......i thought domination amp; primal concrete sledge were filmed at the monsters of rock also


Originally Posted by screamingdaisyOn the other hand, Dime's tone wasn't all that good.....it basically sounds like a Boss stompbox going into a big power amp. Hardly anything to strive for, or spend money on aquiring.

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His tone was was way too compressed and nasal. An all-tube amp gives you warmer, fuller sounds, but a solid-state just sounds constricted and overly processed. At least they did for him. There are some solid-state amps out lately that do a much better job of emulating tubes.Originally Posted by alecleeUPS ships hundreds of tube amps every day and only manages to break a few.

You have to give them credit for trying their hardest, though.

I prefer his tone in Damageplan. It may be less 'unique' and more generic, but it's warmer and fuller than his very cold and mean tone with Pantera. Overall I'm not a big fan of his sound.

I think Dime's razor sharp sterile tone is what gave Pantera's sound such a grinding personality.

I was not a big fan of that tone, either. But, you know it's Dime from the first grinding chord, so if his goal was to create his own thing, he was very successful at that. He gets points from me for doing his own thing.


Originally Posted by PierreI prefer his tone in Damageplan. It may be less 'unique' and more generic, but it's warmer and fuller than his very cold and mean tone with Pantera. Overall I'm not a big fan of his sound.

FWIW, Dime was still using Randalls when he recorded New Found Power.
Originally Posted by Hames JetfieldI think Dime's razor sharp sterile tone is what gave Pantera's sound such a grinding personality.

It did, but Dime was a killer player. In the hands of most lesser players that tone would've been garbage.
Originally Posted by JammerMattI was not a big fan of that tone, either. But, you know it's Dime from the first grinding chord, so if his goal was to create his own thing, he was very successful at that. He gets points from me for doing his own thing.

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Originally Posted by screamingdaisyFWIW, Dime was still using Randalls when he recorded New Found Power.

FWIW also, those Randalls were the RM4 preamp (tube ) and RG250 power amp I believe; said it in an interview in the July 2004 issue of GuitarOne (Incubus' Mike Einziger on the cover). Also he said he used the MXR Dime Distortion through his amps. quot;I eased off on the amp distortion and used the new Jim Dunlop Dime Distortion instead.quot; So I guess it was solid state through tube, eh?