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well, we all know strats used to be pretty much THE rock guitar, but, by modern standards, it seems to me like teles have replaced them in that category

i mean, the bridge pickup is gutsier, the neck pickup is warmer, theres more wood in a tele so you get more of a solid tone, the neck is faster, they don't have that airy quack to them like strats do, and, well, if you listen to hot rail clips for a tele amp; then for a strat, well, the tele one is definately meaner. Even down to the location of the toggle, it's waay outta the way so if you strum hard as hell, you won't accidentally knock it out of place

so what's the verdict? am i crazy, or what? heh

I can't see a strat as a rock guitar, at all. When I think of rock, I think of a Les Paul. Nothing like dual buckers for rock.



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roots before branches, kid. People were rocking out on strats before either of us were born. Infact, well, this is NOT modern standards at all, but, buddy holly, first rock guy to make solid body guitars popular, played a strat. Hendrix, who had ridiculously heavy tone for his day, played a strat, pink floyd played strats, hell, even maiden amp; motley crew used strats. Point being, back in the day, strats were THE fender for rock, but by modern standards, I'm saying, teles git er dun better. Infact, i think the whole idea of rock being a les paul through a marshall is part of what makes modern rock so friggin generic, not to mention what makes both so stupidly expensive.

i can throw down some seriously hard rock, and i do it all fender. I get compliments on my tone all the time, people think my bands stand out, i think part of that is the fact that I'm NOT using a paul through a marshall, and truth be told, i have a hard time getting my tone, or by my standards - acceptable tone, through either

i guess i'm just trying to point out that you don't need either to have good rock tone, hell, fenders can get great rock tone, better IMO, and i guess i just get frustrated when people say stuff like that

I never said they didn't or couldn't rock. Read my post again. I just can't see them as a rock guitar. More of a blues/lightrock/shred axe, depending on the hands they're in.

Roots before brances, eh? I'm sure you know the Tele came before the strat.

Also, as for as Maiden and Motley Crue using strats, they were loaded with dual buckers, or at least a humbucker in the bridge; straight back to my first post.

see avatar for answer lol...on a serious note i sold almost all my strats (2 left and one more may go), and replaced them all with teles and i play metal and punk. i find the tele to be much better for heavier music than a strat...my teles sound more like LPs though with the hotrails and mini hums in them...nice and thick! i can never get a strat to sound this thick.

-Mike

I use a mandolin as a rocker

i was saying this to a friend the other day, mandolins are f*ckin metal!


Originally Posted by DeadSkinSlayer3Also, as for as Maiden and Motley Crue using strats, they were loaded with dual buckers, or at least a humbucker in the bridge; straight back to my first post.

Yep, all three Maiden axeslingers use humbuckers the majority of the time. Humbuckers rule!

DHE, I also think Teles are way coolhoes.

What's your thoughts on Gamp;L?

I'm with DSS3 on this one, althought Teles rock too (not quite as much IMO), but I seem to be going off Strats.

I seriously pondered whether this thread was even worth anywering to...it was.....Originally Posted by drew_half_empty

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roots before branches, kid. People were rocking out on strats before either of us were born.

And they were doing exactly the same thing on Les pauls, Kid (respect really isn´t your strong suit, is it? ) The guitars were introduced in the same year, well before all of our births.

Infact, well, this is NOT modern standards at all, but, buddy holly, first rock guy to make solid body guitars popular, played a strat. Hendrix, who had ridiculously heavy tone for his day, played a strat, pink floyd played strats, hell, even maiden amp; motley crew used strats.

Tony Iommi had a heavier tone than any listed and played an SG, Pete Townsend from the Who played Pauls and SGs, Eric Clapton played an SG , Jimmy Page played Pauls, Mick Mars (Motley CRÜE, not Crew, BTW) played Charvels (i.e. Strats w/ bridge HB), Maiden´s strats have also been loaded w/ humbuckers since before you were born (Originally Dimarzi Super Distortion, today for the most part Hotrails)...BTW, both maiden and Crüe used Marshalls :fing25:

Oh, BTW, before you try to slam me for citing the SG, let it be known that back then the SG WAS the Les Paul

Point being, back in the day, strats were THE fender for rock, but by modern standards, I'm saying, teles git er dun better. Infact, i think the whole idea of rock being a les paul through a marshall is part of what makes modern rock so friggin generic, not to mention what makes both so stupidly expensive.

Actually, the Telecaster was embraced early on by Country players for it´s ballsy tone...and guess what, back in the ´50s country WAS the equivalent of today´s rock. Rebellious and loud

Modern rock on the other hand is for the most part a PRS through a Mesa Rectumfrier w/ the bass dimed, it´s all preamp-gain and slow power chords...quot;modernquot; tone has nothing to do with Marshall or a Les Paul...

As far as rock being expensive: I´m sorry, but I´m afraid you may not understand what making music and playing guitar is actually about.....

It´s not about status symbols, or needing quot;that gear for that tonequot;....it´s about creative expression, and finding yourself and your own feeling, then becoming able to channel them into notes. Anyone into music for anything else than personal enjoyment is in it for the wrong reasons.....

Gear is absolutely secondary, it only helps you to recreate the TONE you hear in your head....but if you can´t play the song you hear in your head, then you´re up **** creek w/o a paddle, even if you have the tone

i can throw down some seriously hard rock, and i do it all fender. I get compliments on my tone all the time, people think my bands stand out, i think part of that is the fact that I'm NOT using a paul through a marshall, and truth be told, i have a hard time getting my tone, or by my standards - acceptable tone, through either

I don´t doubt this, but that´s far from a reason for it to be gospel .... But that seems to be what you´re after

i guess i'm just trying to point out that you don't need either to have good rock tone, hell, fenders can get great rock tone, better IMO, and i guess i just get frustrated when people say stuff like that

If you have a problem with other´s opinions, like DSS´s post, then maybe you shouldn´t ask for them. Just because you feel that a Fender through a HRD or a BAssman (which BTW is almost IDENTICAL in circuit to a Marshall ) sounds great for rock doesn´t mean someone else has to

So all in all: I´d say it´s just you

Peace

I belive Zerb put the smack down here...
And use mandolins for hard rock!!
And agrees with Zerb...hehe man why all the boxes???
It is music...it is wide and open.


Originally Posted by RidI belive Zerb put the smack down here...

Yup, sure did, and all I can say is

BTW, I gotta get me a Mandolin!

I don't see how history can define what sounds good, or what axe you should play.

I don't care what the f*ck Buddy Holly or Pink Floyd used despite having immense respect for their music.

I like Pauls, they feel good, they sound good. And in time I think you will at least learn not to hate the sound of Les Pauls purely based on dogma. Who cares what came first.

1 to zerb

slade

I came first. lol.


Originally Posted by RidI belive Zerb put the smack down here...
And use mandolins for hard rock!!
And agrees with Zerb...hehe man why all the boxes???
It is music...it is wide and open.

I think Zerb's right too. I believe rocking out is playing the guitar most comfy to you.comfy feel and tone wise. you see great rockers using almost every type of axe out there be it Tele, Strat, LP, SG, PRS and semi-hollow.

the quot;Rock factorquot; comes from the guitarist, not the guitar. give the same guitar to a good metal and a jazz guitarist and they both can do their own stuff .

your style stays with you,not the axe. got play a gibson semi-hollow then play the explorer. any huge difference? sound jazz then suddenly metal? i think not.

Hey Paccers, if you know anyone who can pull of metal on a semi-hollow, I'd love to hear it! Sounds interesting, hehe.


Originally Posted by drew_half_emptywell, we all know strats used to be pretty much THE rock guitar, but, by modern standards, it seems to me like teles have replaced them in that category

i mean, the bridge pickup is gutsier, the neck pickup is warmer, theres more wood in a tele so you get more of a solid tone, the neck is faster, they don't have that airy quack to them like strats do, and, well, if you listen to hot rail clips for a tele amp; then for a strat, well, the tele one is definitely meaner. Even down to the location of the toggle, it's waay outta the way so if you strum hard as hell, you won't accidentally knock it out of place

so what's the verdict? am i crazy, or what? heh

Drew:

It appears you have started a war here By reading your post I think you already have it figured out right. I've got all the three guitars mentioned and I would grab the Tele before any of them. Every time I use my Tele with a bit of distortion I realize that Jimmy, Billy and so on was using a Tele to record their albums. Get one while your young! I wish I would have tried Tele's when I was younger

Jonny Greenwood uses one. Nuff said. Mind you, he did have a Marshall Shredmaster pedal...


Originally Posted by RainmakerHey Paccers, if you know anyone who can pull of metal on a semi-hollow, I'd love to hear it! Sounds interesting, hehe.

Anyone can..it just doesn´t usually sound quite right because the warmth of the Semi-hollow excessively counteracts the quot;scooped midsquot; typical of metal tone


Originally Posted by RainmakerHey Paccers, if you know anyone who can pull of metal on a semi-hollow, I'd love to hear it! Sounds interesting, hehe.

hmmm... no metal guitarist comes to my mind now, only a punk rocker (as to whether he is a real rocker is another topic of discussion) Tom delonge of blink 182.
check out his gibson sig. i find it beautiful!! but really expensive.he used to have a fender sig one humbucker strat.
from strat to semi and not sooo much noticeable change rite? i mean he still sound like him after switching axes.

DISCLAIMER : using tom delonge as an example does not indicate that i am a fan in any way.