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I remember a thread where someone (Big Black maybe, dont hold me to this) bought a Sg standard and around the fret wire were gouges in the wood, almost like the wood was cut too wide for the wire. I've had my LP studio gothic for close to two years now and was always pretty satisfied with it. I was changing the strings on it about an hour and half ago and it needed a good cleaning, while cleaning the fretboard i noticed mine had the same problem as the Sg. I dont know how i missed this for so long, but i really don't know how Gibson can let this happen to so many guitars. Im pretty sure my LP was made on 02. It's not that big of a deal for me because its definatly a player with some wood exposed here and there and is a little beat up(its been my main stage guitar for the past year or so) It never affected playability and doesnt bother me, but what happened to the days when having a Gibson meant having a top of the line instrument? I love Lesters too much to say im not going to play Gibson at all anymore, but from now on im looking into older models or Edwards/ Orville copies.

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It is happening in all price brackets. I've seen complaints from people with an $600 SG to a $2000 LP. It is a shame, and no remedy short of pulling the frets and replaning the board. Live with it, or get rid of it. I couldn't live with it, so I sold mine. The guy who owns it now is totally satified- good for him. The SG Standard I bought with the proceeds for my Classic sale is much better. Gibson is hit-and-miss these days. such a shame.

I dont plan on getting rid of it anytime soon. I've lived with it since i first bought it, so getting rid of it now would be kinda pointless. Like i said its a player guitar, but i really wish Gibson would get their act together (even though i don't see that happening anytime soon)

Take some #0000 steel wool to the fretboard once ever couple of months. It may lessen it over time, or make it not that noticeable.


Originally Posted by big_blackTake some #0000 steel wool to the fretboard once ever couple of months. It may lessen it over time, or make it not that noticeable.thanks for the tip, i'll try it next time i change the strings

Their QC has NEVER been worth a damn. The fretboard on my ES-175 is sagging hideously, and the bridge on my dad's '62 Lester was put on half an inch too close to the neck.

probably always been like that, just took soemone pointing it out to you to get you to notice. never mattered before as it played perfectly, right?

I have 3 really nice LP's. I can find little flaws in them if I look hard enough. I choose to enjoy the playing rather than the analyzing.

Sure don't mean this to turn into a Gibson versus Anti-Gibson thread, so I'll shut up.


Originally Posted by Scott_Fprobably always been like that, just took soemone pointing it out to you to get you to notice. never mattered before as it played perfectly, right?

I have 3 really nice LP's. I can find little flaws in them if I look hard enough. I choose to enjoy the playing rather than the analyzing.

Sure don't mean this to turn into a Gibson versus Anti-Gibson thread, so I'll shut up.I see where you're coming from, anyone can find a flaw in something. This forum helped me become more knowledgeable about my gear. If i hadn't seen Big Black's original thread, I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all. As long as it plays well i have no problems with it. If i saw it on a brand new $1000 instrument, i might think twice about buying it though.

yeah, when I first joined this forum, i was totally happy with 200 dollar budget korean electrics. (with Duncans added, of course!)

I think when you are buying a new guitar or used guitar you need to pay attention to these type of details, but if you own the guitar and you never noticed it... it sounds good, and plays good don't fret (sorry) over it!!

I have a 1985 Dot 335 that is my favorite HB guitar. It plays and sounds great. It was a factory 2nd. Probably something in the finish that caused it to be classed as 2nd. I have examined this extensively and found a couple of little inperfections in the finish. Other than that the guitar is great. Today I have noticed so many QC issues on the new Gibsons it is discouraging me from buying a new one (I am considering a DC LP with P90's). When you find a good one you gotta jump on it.!!!


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Deadsy rules all things that rule anything else that rules.
While ruling /ironic morinicity.

I just got a killer deal on a Les Paul Junior, and to be honest, it's a little rough in places. But there aren't any major flaws and it plays and sounds great.

If absolute quality is your priority, get a PRS. Mine is flawless. But it doesn't sound like a Les Paul Jnr...

I got an Agile 2800 Les Paul and I couldn't find a single flaw in it. Cost me $200 new and sounds awesome. Gibsons are way too overhyped.

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I'm tired of hearing of how quot;everything is flawed if you look close enough.quot; This might be true, but the OBVIOUS flaws are ridiculous on Gibsons. I have yet to find a flaw on my Parker Nitefly. I have yet to find a flaw on my ESP LTD bass (Korean made). A low-end LP costs significantly more than either of those axes. For that much money, they can and should do better work.


Originally Posted by Third Eye VisionsI got an Agile 2800 Les Paul and I couldn't find a single flaw in it. Cost me $200 new and sounds awesome. Gibsons are way too overhyped.

me your $200 Agile does not compare. I am sure it is nice for the price you paid, but if you did a side by side comparison and knew the materials and appointments that went into each, you would see a huge difference. The binding on a Gibson alone sets it apart from any other manufacturer, and is very time consuming and an added expense. Overseas manufacturers are very good with photoflames and other tricks to make it appear to be the same guitar, but I assure you, it is not. Some models are a bit over priced, but when you find a good one, it is well worth the money. Gibson have their issues to address, but they also offer things very few other builders will do.


Originally Posted by Scott_Fyeah, when I first joined this forum, i was totally happy with 200 dollar budget korean electrics. (with Duncans added, of course!)

Heh... me too. Now I'm happy with higher-end Japanese stuff


Originally Posted by big_blackTrust me your $200 Agile does not compare. I am sure it is nice for the price you paid, but if you did a side by side comparison and knew the materials and appointments that went into each, you would see a huge difference. The binding on a Gibson alone sets it apart from any other manufacturer, and is very time consuming and an added expense. Overseas manufacturers are very good with photoflames and other tricks to make it appear to be the same guitar, but I assure you, it is not. Some models are a bit over priced, but when you find a good one, it is well worth the money. Gibson have their issues to address, but they also offer things very few other builders will do.My Agile has a real wood top, not a photoflame. It's an excellent guitar. The only things I've changed on it are the pots and pickups. Gibsons are way too overpriced.