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Go Figure.

That's just dandy...i don't even want to rant on about gibson anymore so this is all your getting lol.

-Mike

I give up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, to battle First Act, they can call them quot;First Bad Fret Job That Made My Hands Bleedquot; LOL


Originally Posted by flankHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA, to battle First Act, they can call them quot;First Bad Fret Job That Made My Hands Bleedquot; LOL

Then they'd have to rename the Les Paul the quot;quot;Second Bad Fret Job That Made My Hands Bleedquot;.
Seriously, we already see Fender selling cheap guitars at Costco, what's the big deal? My first guitar came from Service Merchandise. Boy was it a POS but it was someplace to start. IMO they have to do something. There are so few kids picking up guitar these days, even if one in ten kids with a quot;department store specialquot; keeps at it it'll probably be enough to keep guitar music alive.

Hey I bought my first guitar from costco!

theres been epi starter packs in the local warehouse store for about a year now.made in china gibsons though.....weird.


Originally Posted by alecleeThen they'd have to rename the Les Paul the quot;quot;Second Bad Fret Job That Made My Hands Bleedquot;.
Seriously, we already see Fender selling cheap guitars at Costco, what's the big deal? My first guitar came from Service Merchandise. Boy was it a POS but it was someplace to start. IMO they have to do something. There are so few kids picking up guitar these days, even if one in ten kids with a quot;department store specialquot; keeps at it it'll probably be enough to keep guitar music alive.

I think it seriously devalues the name...a $50-$200 Gibson? Come on! Why even make Epis then?


Originally Posted by big_blackI think it seriously devalues the name...a $50-$200 Gibson? Come on! Why even make Epis then?

If you read the article, you´ll see that these instruments will NOT be branded as Gibsons

I DOES piss me off immeasurably that the market will once again be diluted by a mass influx of mediocre instruments produced for the sole purpose of being quot;cheapquot;, especially since even most of the instruments this was attempted with 10 years ago made a Johnson strat look like a Custom Fender....

Those instruments turned OFF more people than they turned on.....

real nice.....to compete with quot;First Actquot;...they should name them quot;No Class Actquot; instruments?!

what a crock!


Originally Posted by Hosswhat a crock!

Word!


Originally Posted by ZerberusI DOES piss me off immeasurably that the market will once again be diluted by a mass influx of mediocre instruments produced for the sole purpose of being quot;cheapquot;, especially since even most of the instruments this was attempted with 10 years ago made a Johnson strat look like a Custom Fender....

Those instruments turned OFF more people than they turned on.....

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This just further proves to me that there are NO players left at Gibson only bean counters, and bottom line guys.

Luke

It seems that I read this somewhere before, but I didn't comment on it. I will now.

While I don't care for Gibson anymore, I have to stand up for them just a little. They're not the ones to blame here. They are doing what any smart business would do. If you see a deficiency of a product that you can sell and make a profit, you're stupid not to, if you're in the business to make money. I can't blame them for wanting a piece of that (probably) million dollar market.

The problem is that parents need to be educated on the matter. There are some that know the guitars are junk and intentionally buy them to shut their kids up, knowing full well that the guitar will be thrown under the bed or used as a coat hanger in a couple of weeks. Those parents need to either put their foot down and not waste the money or let their kid try something out that they have the potential of enjoying. You shouldn't make up the child's mind for them.

The other parents need to be taught that these instruments are junk and their child will most likely never learn to play on that guitar. True, there may be some that do, but there are others that have the potential to grow into great musicians that get discouraged and give up because they can't play a 2x4 with a few strings stretched across it. They need to be shown that if they make the investment their kids have a potential, and if they end up not liking the guitar, they didn't really lose any more money. A First Act guitar or one of these quot;Gibsonquot;s will have NO resale value. A real Gibson or Fender will not lose that much value in a few weeks.

Sorry for the rant. It's just my $.02


Originally Posted by alecleeThen they'd have to rename the Les Paul the quot;quot;Second Bad Fret Job That Made My Hands Bleedquot;.
Seriously, we already see Fender selling cheap guitars at Costco, what's the big deal? My first guitar came from Service Merchandise. Boy was it a POS but it was someplace to start. IMO they have to do something. There are so few kids picking up guitar these days, even if one in ten kids with a quot;department store specialquot; keeps at it it'll probably be enough to keep guitar music alive.

i disagree. EVERYONE plays guitar.

they have to do something about the BASS guitar. the guitarist to bassist ratio that ive seen so far is around 1,000,000,000,000 to 1


Originally Posted by JacksonMIAIt seems that I read this somewhere before, but I didn't comment on it. I will now.

yea i posted a thread in the chat forum earlier on with the same topic


Originally Posted by castironi disagree. EVERYONE plays guitar.

they have to do something about the BASS guitar. the guitarist to bassist ratio that ive seen so far is around 1,000,000,000,000 to 1

yeh, Im sure the article said guitar sales were at an all time high


Originally Posted by castironi disagree. EVERYONE plays guitar.

they have to do something about the BASS guitar. the guitarist to bassist ratio that ive seen so far is around 1,000,000,000,000 to 1

It's so true. Try putting together a band and you'll see what I mean - you will find 20 guitarists who are interested, and not a single bassist. Keyboardists are hard to find too. I guess everyone wants to play guitar.

Gibson has made a lot of very questionable business decisions lately. Couple that with the declining quality of their product, and we may be witnessing the last days of this historic company.

Meanwhile, FMIC seems to be doing everything right business-wise, and the quality of their product has improved dramatically in the past 5 - 10 years. Expect them to be around for a very long time.


Originally Posted by ratherdashingIt's so true. Try putting together a band and you'll see what I mean - you will find 20 guitarists who are interested, and not a single bassist. Keyboardists are hard to find too. I guess everyone wants to play guitar.

so take up bass i did it, and i'm never short of bands now..

and 1 on FMIC at about the top of it's game at the moment, i'd say ibanez are doing very well atm too..

tom

yeah, there needs to be more bassists and keyboardists. Someone needs to de-coolize guitar so i can find an organ player!!!!


Originally Posted by Quencho092yeah, there needs to be more bassists and keyboardists. Someone needs to de-coolize guitar so i can find an organ player!!!!

I'm hoping bands like The Killers will encourage more kids to take up the keys.