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Is this a mythe or as I feel it really depends on everything in the equation such as guitar, amp, etc. I have heard it mentioned a lot that lower output pickup yeild a bigger tone due to the less compression factor compared to a hotter pickup like a JB or Custom. To me it doesn't seem that audible other than hotter pickups are hotter...period. Thoughts?

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I don't know about quot;biggerquot;....but clearer, breathier and more open and spacious for sure. Lew


Originally Posted by LewguitarI don't know about quot;biggerquot;....but clearer, breathier and more open and spacious for sure. Lew

Yup..and this sense of quot;open-nessquot; creates aural width or space...thus the quot;biggerquot; comments you hear.

Higher the output the less of the instruments natural voice you hear...hence why many guys prefer a Strat or tele over a HB equipped guitar..and many P-90 guys cite the same thing vs. a bucker...

A Paula with a 8K PAF/Copy sounds like a Paula

A Paula with a DD or SuperD, or EMG 81 in it, pretty much sounds like any other set/neck through guitar...a little more low end than most...but you lose the complexity of the mids....

All things being equal, a colder pickup will also be brighter .

I was listening to Neil Zaza on some of those clips running the Duncan CC and he sounds huge and that is with a high output pickup.

maybe we all hear things differently (d'oh!) and I know John LaGrassa (forum member) tried a bunch of lower output boutique pickups and ended up finding the Duncan C-5 had the biggest tone.

I was always sceptical regarding cliches like quot;low output pickups give a bigger tonequot; or the classic quot;using no effects at all makes you a real goooooooood guitaristquot; and after trying both the approaches i can only say those are bu....it..............the usual crap everybody has heard from someone or read somewhere and keeps repeating without even thinking about it..................................

The low output pickups to me sound flat. Thats why i like the 10k pickups. Not all of them ive liked but the majority of the medium output pickups i like better then a low output or somthing liek a 16k mud machine.

That should be a new pickup name, the mud machine. Punk bands would love it.

I think the fullest pickups I've tried thus far are the Rio Grande BBQ/Texas set but I haven't tried the CC in my guitars yet!

it will give you a clearer, cleaner tone, but not bigger imo

It will have a bigger, more open tone, but IMO they lose some of the tightness and fast tracking of higher output pickups.

I think most of the fattest tones recorded were with low output pickups. Even the famous EVH brown sound is low output PAF humbuckers.


Originally Posted by Kindred_SpiritsIt will have a bigger, more open tone, but IMO they lose some of the tightness and fast tracking of higher output pickups.

With low ouput p-u you WIN the fast tracking and response:
a Jazz is faster than a 59 and a Demon faster than a Custom .

Once i compared a guitar (mine) loaded with a ToneZone and an other (not mine) loaded with a Demon , and the Demon was MUCH LOUDER , cause more attack and less compression .

I think mid output pups, such as the Demon, C-5, CC, and Full Shred offer the best of both worlds. With a little EQ and Volume tweeking you can have that quot;openness and clarityquot; of a low output pup and the punch of a high output pup.