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I installed a PG in my Carvin DC-127 bridge. Basic alder body. The pup config is hum/split coil. Why does the single coil sound so thin and is there a remedy? Thanks!


Originally Posted by BillyThe WildI installed a PG in my Carvin DC-127 bridge. Basic alder body. The pup config is hum/split coil. Why does the single coil sound so thin and is there a remedy? Thanks!

Sounds like you have it wired out of phase? Recheck all the wiring..I don't know what you have going on with your pickups etc.but you may need to flip flop some wiring(green and black wires) on the Duncan to get correct phase.

Or is this just a 1 pickup guitar with a switch?

I'm not a split coil expert, but you're splitting a 'bucker in the 8.5K range (if I'm not mistaken), so that's about 4.25K output as a single coil. Most vintage single coils are in the 6-7K range so 4.25K is pretty cold/weak.


Originally Posted by PoorManI'm not a split coil expert, but you're splitting a 'bucker in the 8.5K range (if I'm not mistaken), so that's about 4.25K output as a single coil. Most vintage single coils are in the 6-7K range so 4.25K is pretty cold/weak.

Excellent point, and IMO most likely the problem.
I keep my Humbucker guitars humucker and my singles single just to avoid this problem...Too much HB output= muddy sound, but strong split sound. Low output HB= , but when split =wussy

Sounds like you might have yourself a predicament

Indeed! This is a great excuse to buy more guitars! Keep the Carvin as your 'bucker guitar and go out and buy a dedicated single coil guitar--problem solved!

i believe that you may find one coil is a little hotter than the other, i have a guitar with a pg in the bridge and phase and coil split switches. it lets me split the pup then chose which coil is on and one coil definitly sounds better than the other.

but in general, lower output pups dont split all that well. even a 15k bucker split doesnt sound like a real single coil


Originally Posted by jeremyi believe that you may find one coil is a little hotter than the other, i have a guitar with a pg in the bridge and phase and coil split switches. it lets me split the pup then chose which coil is on and one coil definitly sounds better than the other.

but in general, lower output pups dont split all that well. even a 15k bucker split doesnt sound like a real single coil

Yes I agree. The PG sounds awesome in it's unadulterated form as a HB
but does not like to hang out in the singles bars. The Carvin-DC127 that I put it into was designed as a double HB with two dual to single coil switches.
Of course the gimmick with this guitar was that quot;you could get a multitude of soundsquot;....blah,blah,blah. What they fail to mention is that there are only a couple that you really want to use. The crafstmanship and quality of Carvin guitars is deffinately top shelf....superb! But, as with most mass produced, off the shelf guitars, the sonic half of the equation leaves something to be desired, IMOA. And, I simply didn't care for the look of their pups with pole pieces from one end to the other.

Thanks to all for your help!

Stick a CC in it. I have one in mine paired with a PGb at the neck and it does all the tones available very well.


Originally Posted by Benjy_26Stick a CC in it. I have one in mine paired with a PGb at the neck and it does all the tones available very well.

Do you have two 127's?
I have a Jazz/JB set in a Carvin DC127

What is the scale of that guitar?
Is it like a Fender (25.50quot;)
Is it like a Gibson (24.75quot;)

To me, the PG only works with a Gibson type scale.
I think there is a Fender variant of the original, but I'm not sure if its still made. Might need to ask one of the SD guys about that.


Originally Posted by gOgIverDo you have two 127's?
I have a Jazz/JB set in a Carvin DC127

As a matter of fact, I do. One's black, 3 on a side head stock, hardtail, alder wings, with a maple neck and ebony fingerboard.
The other is all maple with an ebony board, 6 in line headstock, and a floating Wilkinson trem. The CC/PGb combo is in this one.

BTW, Carvins use a 25quot; scale like PRS.


Originally Posted by Benjy_26As a matter of fact, I do. One's black, 3 on a side head stock, hardtail, alder wings, with a maple neck and ebony fingerboard.
The other is all maple with an ebony board, 6 in line headstock, and a floating Wilkinson trem. The CC/PGb combo is in this one.

So how would you compare the CC vs JB in the 127's? What made you decide to put the JB in the hardtail amp; the CC in the trem model?


Originally Posted by gOgIverSo how would you compare the CC vs JB in the 127's? What made you decide to put the JB in the hardtail amp; the CC in the trem model?

Aside from being the same series guitars, they have little in common with each other (soundwise).
Unplugged, the 127T is bright with tight lows and very little mids.

The hardtail is more balanced, but still somewhat bright, with a pleasing growl on the wound strings.

At first, I had the Rio Grande Muy Grande/Tallboy set in the trem guitar. I pretty much left it in single coil mode all of the time. I was mostly playing funk at the time, so it worked. After that, I wanted more drive out of it and tried the JB. It was way too bright. It was unuseable. I then went to the CC and haven't looked back. I get clean highs, warm mids, and tight lows. This pickup really fills out the sound.

In the hardtail I installed the JB after finding the stock pickups flat and a bit muffled sounding. I put the JB in and it opened up the top end, tightened up the lows, and it gave the high mids some needed push. Harmonics jump out of this thing. I love the cleans on this one. Funk vamps and chicken pickin' sound great with this guitar. Curiously though, the trem guitar with the CC has more and more aggressive lows than does the hardtail JB guitar.

It's almost like the 127-T with the CC/PGb wants to grow up to be a LP with a trem and the 127 with the JB/Jazz dreams of being a tele.

Weird, huh?


Originally Posted by gOgIverSeems like you found the pups that work the best in each individual instrument!That's the name of the game, my friend.

Benjy!

I am loosing this battle with a Charvel 650 maple necktrough with poplar wings that is a bright as hell, midless, tightless bass and looose sounding son of a gun... JB made it almost unbearable and then I put a darker sounding Dimarzio Norton wich smoothed the highs but still delivers no mids... I am thinking on putting the original active jackson mid booster back on it! Advices?

Try splitting a Custom or a JB and tell us how that sounds.

I don't know. What was I thinking when I originally posted this about that PG pup. Not so pearly?!? I gotta stay away from that corned beef and sour krout on rye. Damn! Anyways, got the DC-127 out last night, played it for a good hour and didn't want to put it down. I'm sorry folks. The PG in my DC really do it for me. Seriously, I love the sound of that PG in the bridge. Pick harmonics just so sweet and such tastey midrange.

Anyway, forget what I said before-must 'o been high on saurkrout.....