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I guess they're rated at 30 watts. What does this mean in reality? Can the speaker handle 50 watts or is there a chance I could damage it?


Originally Posted by SoCalSteveI guess they're rated at 30 watts. What does this mean in reality? Can the speaker handle 50 watts or is there a chance I could damage it?

YUP ! It would be O.K. at low practice volume's. But at gig volume... It's
only a matter of time.

Yeah, I guess they're probably designed for use in pairs or quads or low powered amps. I hear everyone rave about them so I was hoping to try one out but maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea in a 1x12.

A Vintage 30 would handle it better. It's not a 30 watt speaker...it was just designed to SOUND like a 30 watt speaker. The V30 is rated at 60 watts...the G12H30 is rated at 30 watts...although both use what looks like the same magnet. Lew

So, does that mean in my classic 50 I could run 2x 25watt greenbacks?

Or would I want to run 2x 50watt speakers?


Originally Posted by MephisSo, does that mean in my classic 50 I could run 2x 25watt greenbacks?

Or would I want to run 2x 50watt speakers?

You probably could...but you'd be safer with a pair of G12H30's or Vintage 30's. Lew

Ah ok, I wasn't sure how you did the math on it, Thanks.

A speaker has to be the equal to 1/2 the wattage of the amp, if you run 2 speakers.

Two 30 watt speakers are a little better for a 2x12 amp because many 50 watters are a little better than 50 watts.

Yeah, that's right. 'Cause if you think about the ratings of a lot of tube amps, that isn't necessarily even the max that they're capable of. Most are going to be pretty conservatively rated. A 50 watt amp might be capable of pushing 60 or more watts, under certain conditions, but for the most part, it's only rated at being able to push 50 on the high end. Does that make sense? It did before I wrote it!


Originally Posted by Gdntoneguitars

Does that make sense? It did before I wrote it!

Yep, it did.

Still does.

One of the hard things about many Celestion speakers is that they handle different wattage than their model signifies. IE, a V30 is a 60 watt speaker.

Another great speaker is the greenback. But it handles so little wattage that it will push you into one of its copies to achieve higher wattage, like an Emi Private Jack. I sure am glad there are so many speakers to choose from out there. With a little homework, you can get that sound you are looking for.

EDIT: Just noticed your avatar SoCalSteve....

Gotta love Uncle Ted.

Regarding the 25 watt Celestions, like the G12M-25, I used one in my '67 Pro Reverb for many years. That amp originally had a pair of Jensen '66 C12N speakers but one went bad. So I replaced it with a G12M-25 and played that amp like that for the next twenty years. Played it loud too..often with a Tube Screamer pushing the heck out of it! Anyways, that's a 40 watt amp and I never had any trouble with that Celestion. In fact, that's the amp that got me into mixing speakers. Lew


Originally Posted by LewguitarRegarding the 25 watt Celestions, like the G12M-25, I used one in my '67 Pro Reverb for many years. That amp originally had a pair of Jensen '66 C12N speakers but one went bad. So I replaced it with a G12M-25 and played that amp like that for the next twenty years. Played it loud too..often with a Tube Screamer pushing the heck out of it! Anyways, that's a 40 watt amp and I never had any trouble with that Celestion. In fact, that's the amp that got me into mixing speakers. Lew

I love mixing speakers Lew. Some hate it.

What was the wattage of that C12N? A 30 watter? MF says it is a 50 watter, wow. That should be sufficient for a 40 watt amp, as long as each speaker is equal to half the head wattage or better.

How does that Pro Reverb sound Lew? Great chimey cleans, or does it have an edge to it?

A blackface Fender Pro Reverb is like a 40 watt Fender Twin Reverb. Back in the 60's they both used the Jensen C12N speaker, although if you cranked a 80 watt Twin up to loud it'd blow the C12N's eventually. They seemed to handle the 40 watt Pro Reverb just fine though. I don't know if the original 60's C12N was rated at much more than 30 watts each...maybe the reissue one that's made in Italy handles more than 30 watts but I doubt that the original Chicago version was a 50 watt speaker. Great sounding speaker though. I still have a few oldies stashed away.

Lew

I use both a G 12 H30, and a greenback in my Marshall combo, (60 watt), have for years, and I like the option of being able to mic either speaker, depending on the situation or the tone I'm trying to get.But then again, it seldom gets turned up to more than half on the master, mostly because we mic everything and let the PA do the work.


Originally Posted by marvarI use both a G 12 H30, and a greenback in my Marshall combo, (60 watt), have for years, and I like the option of being able to mic either speaker, depending on the situation or the tone I'm trying to get.But then again, it seldom gets turned up to more than half on the master, mostly because we mic everything and let the PA do the work.

Exactly! You can mike either speaker and get a slightly differant tone from either. Good insight! Lew