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Hi guys,need a diagram for the following.I've 3 cool rails in a strat,i want the option to split the middle p/up,and to remove it from the circuit so i get neck and bridge on together

Thats almost my same setup, except that I have a Hot Stack in the middle. Let me tell you how I have mine done, and then we can go from there:

I converted my Strat to master volume/master tone, and use the quot;extraquot; tone pot hole to mount a DPDT on-off-on switch. I replaced the 5-way with a Fender 3-way. I use the 3-way to select between neck and bridge Cool Rails like an ordinary dual-humbucker guitar. Then the switch can select the middle pup at any time, in any configuration. Split, parallel, normal, or off. (Obviuosly, you can only have three of those, and one of them must be quot;offquot;.)

Let me know if thats do-able. There's other ways to accomplish it also.

Artie


Originally Posted by ArtieTooThats almost my same setup, except that I have a Hot Stack in the middle. Let me tell you how I have mine done, and then we can go from there:

I converted my Strat to master volume/master tone, and use the quot;extraquot; tone pot hole to mount a DPDT on-off-on switch. I replaced the 5-way with a Fender 3-way. I use the 3-way to select between neck and bridge Cool Rails like an ordinary dual-humbucker guitar. Then the switch can select the middle pup at any time, in any configuration. Split, parallel, normal, or off. (Obviuosly, you can only have three of those, and one of them must be quot;offquot;.)

Let me know if thats do-able. There's other ways to accomplish it also.

Artie

Artie...That would work fine as i have master vol/master tone so i have a spare pot hole.Wiring the 3 way is easy to do but how would i wire the DPDT for normal and split.
Robrhy

If you don't mind waiting a few hours, I'm going to show you this with a diagram. I'm at work, and can't post a pic. Since the DPDT will be doing double duty as the on/off switch, we'll do it different than the way the SD diagrams show.

Stay tuned.

I'll try to describe it anyway. We'll be using an on-off-on switch, so the middle will be off, and we'll only be using one quot;sidequot; of the switch.

If you want to split to the adjustable coil, do this:

The black wire goes to one end of the switch, the red/white combo to the other, and the center goes direct to quot;outquot;. Which could be the common of the 3-way, or the lug of the volume control. Either way is ok.

If you want to split to the stud coil:

The black wire goes direct to the output. The green wire goes to one end of the switch, the red/white combo to the other end, and ground the center terminal.

If that doesn't make sense . . . film at eleven.


Originally Posted by ArtieTooI'll try to describe it anyway. We'll be using an on-off-on switch, so the middle will be off, and we'll only be using one quot;sidequot; of the switch.

If you want to split to the adjustable coil, do this:

The black wire goes to one end of the switch, the red/white combo to the other, and the center goes direct to quot;outquot;. Which could be the common of the 3-way, or the lug of the volume control. Either way is ok.

If you want to split to the stud coil:

The black wire goes direct to the output. The green wire goes to one end of the switch, the red/white combo to the other end, and ground the center terminal.

If that doesn't make sense . . . film at eleven.

Artie...I'll wait for the diagram,i find it easier to follow

Ok, do this for the middle pickup:Fig 1 splits to the adjustable coil, Fig 2 to the stud coil. The middle position will be quot;offquot;.

I think that covers it. Let me know if anything there doesn't make sense.


Originally Posted by ArtieTooOk, do this for the middle pickup:Fig 1 splits to the adjustable coil, Fig 2 to the stud coil. The middle position will be quot;offquot;.

I think that covers it. Let me know if anything there doesn't make sense.

Thanks Artie just wired this up,works perfect.


Originally Posted by robrhyThanks Artie just wired this up,works perfect.

Hi Artie...I want to have the option of only the middle p/up on.How would i wire up the neck amp; bridge useing push push pots...Sid

I'll try to describe this, and post a pic tonight. (This is just one way - btw.)

Take the ground wires of the neck and bridge, tie them together, and run them to the center lug of a push/pull pot switch. Take the lug directly below that to ground.

Take the hot wire of the middle pickup to the center lug of the other side of the PP. Take the lug directly above that to your output - bypassing all other switches.

Now, when you pull that knob, you go directly to the middle pup, bypassing any other switch configuration. It's like a quot;hotlinequot; for the middle pup.

Film at eleven.

Artie

Edit: Don't do anything 'til I post a pic. Sometimes I need to quot;seequot; this to make it correct. For example, I think I need to make one little change to the middle/hot wire part of the PP. That is, run the current output of you 5-way/3-way to the bottom of the PP, middle hot to the top, and center lug to out.


Originally Posted by ArtieTooI'll try to describe this, and post a pic tonight. (This is just one way - btw.)

Take the ground wires of the neck and bridge, tie them together, and run them to the center lug of a push/pull pot switch. Take the lug directly below that to ground.

Take the hot wire of the middle pickup to the center lug of the other side of the PP. Take the lug directly above that to your output - bypassing all other switches.

Now, when you pull that knob, you go directly to the middle pup, bypassing any other switch configuration. It's like a quot;hotlinequot; for the middle pup.

Film at eleven.

Artie

Edit: Don't do anything 'til I post a pic. Sometimes I need to quot;seequot; this to make it correct. For example, I think I need to make one little change to the middle/hot wire part of the PP. That is, run the current output of you 5-way/3-way to the bottom of the PP, middle hot to the top, and center lug to out.OK Artie i'll wait for your pic.

I pieced this together from a drawing I already had, so it doesn't show the quot;splitquot; portion, but it shows the basic concept of the push/pull switch for the middle.

With the PP down, neck and bridge are grounded, and the 5-way is routed out. Lift the PP, and the ground is removed for the neck and bridge, and the middle bypasses the 5-way, going direct to out.Let me know if you have any questions.

Artie


Originally Posted by ArtieTooI pieced this together from a drawing I already had, so it doesn't show the quot;splitquot; portion, but it shows the basic concept of the push/pull switch for the middle.

With the PP down, neck and bridge are grounded, and the 5-way is routed out. Lift the PP, and the ground is removed for the neck and bridge, and the middle bypasses the 5-way, going direct to out.Let me know if you have any questions.

Artie

Hi Artie...I hate to ask but can you do an easier drawing that a thickhead like me can follow.Without seeing the pots and switches and where the wires should be i'm totally lost.

Sure . . . you'll just have to wait 'til this evening.

Edit: btw - Did you use Fig 1 or 2 in the first diagram? Let me know, and I'll incorporate that into the drawing at the same time.

OK Artie...I used fig 1

Cool . . . film at eleven.

This is one of those one's that was hard to keep real neat and clear. Just be careful, and make sure you don't get any wires crossed. Let me know if any part of this isn't clear.

Artie

Make sure you refresh your browser. I already caught one little mistake after I posted this. Its ok now.


Originally Posted by ArtieTooThats almost I converted my Strat to master volume/master tone, and use the quot;extraquot; tone pot hole to mount a DPDT on-off-on switch.
Artie

How come you didn't go with a push/pull pot so you could keep the extra tone pot??


Originally Posted by ZhangliqunHow come you didn't go with a push/pull pot so you could keep the extra tone pot??

I guess its just one of my quot;quirksquot;, or preferences. I've never liked the second tone control on a Strat, and don't really understand its usefulness. With standard Strat wiring, (one cap, two pots), the tone would quot;brightenquot; slightly in the #2 notch position, assuming one control isn't on zero, but you'ld have no tone control for the bridge, where I like to have one.

In a two-cap, two-pot configuration, the opposite would happen. The tone would darken slightly. A subtle difference, to be sure, but its just not useful to me.

I guess I just like the master volume/master tone configuration.

P. S. Also, in this particular application, I needed an on-off-on switch, which a push/pull won't do.