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I'm looking for ideas and information.
Around here (as in many places I assume) there's a surplus of guitarists and a lack of bassists, so I'm looking at crossing over to get some gigs with various bands around town.
What I'm looking for is guitar info....ie, what should I get? Pickup config? Active/passive? Any reason I should avoid a 5-string? ect....
Amp....what to look for? Speaker size/type? wattage?
Also, what is the bassists version of Smoke on the Water (ie, those riffs that every bassist knows/should know)?
Lastly, any good bassist forums?What I'm looking at for a starter rig is a Godin Freeway 5 string (passive);Specs
and a Crate bass head/cab (I'd include the Crate info, but it seems their site is down as I type this). I'm working out a deal to initially buy the Crate and later trade it up for an Ampeg (SVT-3PRO) after I get enough gigs that it pays for itself. This is all subject to change of course, depending on what I learn off the net over the next few weeks.
Anyway, thanks for reading....any info/tips appreciated.
All I know is that These Schecter basses are kick ass. There is a 5 string version also.(yes, I **** around on basses once and a while ).
A cheap 5 string will almost always suck. It takes a very very well built bass to get a tight, defined B-string. I would honestly start on a 4 - it's enough for most situations. If you always play low, just string it BEAD or something.
A passive bass fits in every situation. A versatile active bass fits in every situation. I have two passive basses, which run a gamut of tones from smooth and fat to loud and agressive.
Crate is .... okay. Spend a little extra money and buy a used Ampeg or something. Avatar cabs are a great value for the money. I have a Mesa Boogie head into two Avatar cabs, and again, it's very versatile.
Just like with guitar, you get what you pay for. Shop around. Used is a great way to go. Both my basses are used, I got both for half their original prices. My Mesa was used, too.
I would avoid the 5 string unless you plan on deadicating yourself to the Instrument. It's nice to have that low B string there.But if you still think like a guitarist? your bound to mistake it for the E string from time to time and will drop a BIG Note . Most bassist I know perfer active PuPs ( I use passive's Cuz' I like the way they sound better) But i understand why a gigging bassist would favor Active's Cuz' you get a more balanced and smoother tone without having to use a lot of compression and limiting as you would using passive's. As far as Amps? You mentioned a SVT That should
do the job. My bassist claims the bass player shoud have 2x's the fire power of the guitarist. I don't know much about bi-amping? and bass rigs. but if I was going to switch to bass I'd get a GK800 and sit it on a harke 4x10 transporter cab. (My dream bass rig ) As far as licks go? Learn a walking
bassline for Blues, get your groove on and lock up with the drummer. Pedaling
1/4 notes should be a no brainer. Good luck!
I'm a bass player who also plays guitar.
I'll back up most of what kmcguitars said.
I've been playing bass for around 25 years and never had a really good reason to have to tune down to B. Drop D a few times here and there...
More money's been made on Precision basses than anything, but remember a Jazz can approximate a P sound but not the other way around.
Don't wheedle. It may impress the kids, but it'll annoy they guys you're playing with. quot;Ain't no money above the 7th fret, son.quot;
A 300w head with a 4x10 or a 1x15 will rock.
yeah...i'll second what has been said so far.
a P-bass is the standard man...it's the Les Paul of rock bass and a 4-string will do ya in most cases...if not it's gonna be extremely hard to beat a musicman stingray-5!
as far as amps for general gigging. a 300 watt head would be the minimum...600 watts will get you in real good shape and my personal favorite cab configuration is a 4x10 on top of a 1x15. i'm really partial to Genz-benz amps and speakers, but i heard that the avatar cabs are pretty good too...and you can never go wrong with ampeg...ever...also...SWR is nearly impossible to beat for the money!
a good forum is www.talkbass.com
I'm a fairly deceint bass player. It takes awhile to break the quot;guitar player on a bassquot; thing but after awhile and a bit of listening it can be done.
I'm partial to Jazz basses They seem a little tighter sounding to me and the neck size is more comfortable to me. I bought a MIM Jazz bass a couple of years ago for $249, popped a set of SD Hot Stacks for Jazz Bass in it and got a TDK hard case for it. For something like $400 I ended up with a great sounding and playing instrument. Everyone that picks it up can't believe how nice it is for what it is.
I tell all my guitar students to learn the bass if they want to gig regularily and get paid. Good bass players are hard to find and always make money.
I'm going down to check the MusicMan Sub and Stingray basses today, but so far that Godin is my favorite in feel and sound.
Opinions on a tube vs mosfet power section?
I suppose I should ask this too.....at what point is it too much wattage? Is there such a thing? Do bassists ever overdrive their amps? At what point does the volume piss off the band amp; soundman? And lastly; the bass normally runs off a DI into the board, does it not?
And thanks for the talkbass link.
There is no such thing as too much power. More power = more headroom = cleaner low-end.
If you run a tube or hybrid amp, overdrive is a good thing. A SS bass amp overdriven will sound like ass. Volume pisses off the band when you get louder than them. Remember, you can turn a loud amp down. You can't turn a quiet amp up.
Mosfets will generally be quot;quickerquot; in response. Tube amps are saggier and a little bit slower in their feel. But you can get massive grind out of an all-tube amp. You get a stronger, cleaner punch out of a mosfet amp. My Mesa has a tube preamp and a mosfet power section, the best of both words with bass as far as I'm concerned.
Some people run bass through a DI. I've actually been micing mine at all my band's gigs.
Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
A 300w head with a 4x10 or a 1x15 will rock.
A friend of mine is going to buy a bass amp (head/cab). He's wondering whether he should buy 1x15, 2x10 or 4x10. Any opinions? The head is 300w.
Originally Posted by Tom MBut you can get massive grind out of an all-tube amp.
Can you grind a higher wattage tube head at lower (but still gig level) volumes? Or is it similar to guitars in that you need to work over the tubes?I guess what I'm asking is.....assuming 50w-100w guitarists, how much wattage should I look at for Mosfet? For tube?
there's no specific wattage match to really look for...from my experience...more wattage simply means a better tone at higher volumes...if you get a 100 watt 1x15 combo...it's gonna sound like booty trying to compete with a full band in a resonable size gig...it's ok for smaller low volume gigs...but not full out rock...300 watts is the bare minimum imho...and like what has been said...the higher the watts the better the tone...my personal taste is also the hybrid type amps...don't forget you can use bass pedals to achieve all kinds of tones with bass guitars as well...and some heads have some pretty good onboard stuff...?!
ESP basses are sweet. 1 to the observations of active circuits--more balanced sound.
SS amps work fine for bass, unlike guitar.
A 5-string bass is great. It gives you a great big thumb-rest.
I actually PREFER bass played direct to the board...but this depends on the quality of the sound system, and it's monitoring capabilities. The beauty of this approach is that you show up, tune-up, and plug in.
With guitar, you have a much longer set-up time
Originally Posted by screamingdaisyI guess what I'm asking is.....assuming 50w-100w guitarists, how much wattage should I look at for Mosfet? For tube?
I'd say you do this
Say quot;**** itquot; and get the mesa bass 400
Originally Posted by Nite_Maresz_25I'd say you do this
Say quot;**** itquot; and get the mesa bass 400 We'll see.....for now I just need something that works.
All tube bass amps are very, very expensive. The best that come to mind are the Ampeg SVT2, and the Mesa 400 . Both are beastly, and both are extreeeemely expensive. The SVT2 is 300 watts, the 400 is around 400 IIRC. Yes, like guitar amps, they really need to be turned up to grind.
If you're in a band with one guitarist, I'd say 300 watts mosfet. If with two guitarists, probably 400 or more mosfet.
Originally Posted by screamingdaisyWe'll see.....for now I just need something that works.
they work.......
.....really really really well!
and Tom, I thought the 400 was 500 watts...?
Originally Posted by Nite_Maresz_25and Tom, I thought the 400 was 500 watts...?
Hence the quot;IIRCquot;
Around here (as in many places I assume) there's a surplus of guitarists and a lack of bassists, so I'm looking at crossing over to get some gigs with various bands around town.
What I'm looking for is guitar info....ie, what should I get? Pickup config? Active/passive? Any reason I should avoid a 5-string? ect....
Amp....what to look for? Speaker size/type? wattage?
Also, what is the bassists version of Smoke on the Water (ie, those riffs that every bassist knows/should know)?
Lastly, any good bassist forums?What I'm looking at for a starter rig is a Godin Freeway 5 string (passive);Specs
and a Crate bass head/cab (I'd include the Crate info, but it seems their site is down as I type this). I'm working out a deal to initially buy the Crate and later trade it up for an Ampeg (SVT-3PRO) after I get enough gigs that it pays for itself. This is all subject to change of course, depending on what I learn off the net over the next few weeks.
Anyway, thanks for reading....any info/tips appreciated.
All I know is that These Schecter basses are kick ass. There is a 5 string version also.(yes, I **** around on basses once and a while ).
A cheap 5 string will almost always suck. It takes a very very well built bass to get a tight, defined B-string. I would honestly start on a 4 - it's enough for most situations. If you always play low, just string it BEAD or something.
A passive bass fits in every situation. A versatile active bass fits in every situation. I have two passive basses, which run a gamut of tones from smooth and fat to loud and agressive.
Crate is .... okay. Spend a little extra money and buy a used Ampeg or something. Avatar cabs are a great value for the money. I have a Mesa Boogie head into two Avatar cabs, and again, it's very versatile.
Just like with guitar, you get what you pay for. Shop around. Used is a great way to go. Both my basses are used, I got both for half their original prices. My Mesa was used, too.
I would avoid the 5 string unless you plan on deadicating yourself to the Instrument. It's nice to have that low B string there.But if you still think like a guitarist? your bound to mistake it for the E string from time to time and will drop a BIG Note . Most bassist I know perfer active PuPs ( I use passive's Cuz' I like the way they sound better) But i understand why a gigging bassist would favor Active's Cuz' you get a more balanced and smoother tone without having to use a lot of compression and limiting as you would using passive's. As far as Amps? You mentioned a SVT That should
do the job. My bassist claims the bass player shoud have 2x's the fire power of the guitarist. I don't know much about bi-amping? and bass rigs. but if I was going to switch to bass I'd get a GK800 and sit it on a harke 4x10 transporter cab. (My dream bass rig ) As far as licks go? Learn a walking
bassline for Blues, get your groove on and lock up with the drummer. Pedaling
1/4 notes should be a no brainer. Good luck!
I'm a bass player who also plays guitar.
I'll back up most of what kmcguitars said.
I've been playing bass for around 25 years and never had a really good reason to have to tune down to B. Drop D a few times here and there...
More money's been made on Precision basses than anything, but remember a Jazz can approximate a P sound but not the other way around.
Don't wheedle. It may impress the kids, but it'll annoy they guys you're playing with. quot;Ain't no money above the 7th fret, son.quot;
A 300w head with a 4x10 or a 1x15 will rock.
yeah...i'll second what has been said so far.
a P-bass is the standard man...it's the Les Paul of rock bass and a 4-string will do ya in most cases...if not it's gonna be extremely hard to beat a musicman stingray-5!
as far as amps for general gigging. a 300 watt head would be the minimum...600 watts will get you in real good shape and my personal favorite cab configuration is a 4x10 on top of a 1x15. i'm really partial to Genz-benz amps and speakers, but i heard that the avatar cabs are pretty good too...and you can never go wrong with ampeg...ever...also...SWR is nearly impossible to beat for the money!
a good forum is www.talkbass.com
I'm a fairly deceint bass player. It takes awhile to break the quot;guitar player on a bassquot; thing but after awhile and a bit of listening it can be done.
I'm partial to Jazz basses They seem a little tighter sounding to me and the neck size is more comfortable to me. I bought a MIM Jazz bass a couple of years ago for $249, popped a set of SD Hot Stacks for Jazz Bass in it and got a TDK hard case for it. For something like $400 I ended up with a great sounding and playing instrument. Everyone that picks it up can't believe how nice it is for what it is.
I tell all my guitar students to learn the bass if they want to gig regularily and get paid. Good bass players are hard to find and always make money.
I'm going down to check the MusicMan Sub and Stingray basses today, but so far that Godin is my favorite in feel and sound.
Opinions on a tube vs mosfet power section?
I suppose I should ask this too.....at what point is it too much wattage? Is there such a thing? Do bassists ever overdrive their amps? At what point does the volume piss off the band amp; soundman? And lastly; the bass normally runs off a DI into the board, does it not?
And thanks for the talkbass link.
There is no such thing as too much power. More power = more headroom = cleaner low-end.
If you run a tube or hybrid amp, overdrive is a good thing. A SS bass amp overdriven will sound like ass. Volume pisses off the band when you get louder than them. Remember, you can turn a loud amp down. You can't turn a quiet amp up.
Mosfets will generally be quot;quickerquot; in response. Tube amps are saggier and a little bit slower in their feel. But you can get massive grind out of an all-tube amp. You get a stronger, cleaner punch out of a mosfet amp. My Mesa has a tube preamp and a mosfet power section, the best of both words with bass as far as I'm concerned.
Some people run bass through a DI. I've actually been micing mine at all my band's gigs.
Originally Posted by The Golden Boy
A 300w head with a 4x10 or a 1x15 will rock.
A friend of mine is going to buy a bass amp (head/cab). He's wondering whether he should buy 1x15, 2x10 or 4x10. Any opinions? The head is 300w.
Originally Posted by Tom MBut you can get massive grind out of an all-tube amp.
Can you grind a higher wattage tube head at lower (but still gig level) volumes? Or is it similar to guitars in that you need to work over the tubes?I guess what I'm asking is.....assuming 50w-100w guitarists, how much wattage should I look at for Mosfet? For tube?
there's no specific wattage match to really look for...from my experience...more wattage simply means a better tone at higher volumes...if you get a 100 watt 1x15 combo...it's gonna sound like booty trying to compete with a full band in a resonable size gig...it's ok for smaller low volume gigs...but not full out rock...300 watts is the bare minimum imho...and like what has been said...the higher the watts the better the tone...my personal taste is also the hybrid type amps...don't forget you can use bass pedals to achieve all kinds of tones with bass guitars as well...and some heads have some pretty good onboard stuff...?!
ESP basses are sweet. 1 to the observations of active circuits--more balanced sound.
SS amps work fine for bass, unlike guitar.
A 5-string bass is great. It gives you a great big thumb-rest.
I actually PREFER bass played direct to the board...but this depends on the quality of the sound system, and it's monitoring capabilities. The beauty of this approach is that you show up, tune-up, and plug in.
With guitar, you have a much longer set-up time
Originally Posted by screamingdaisyI guess what I'm asking is.....assuming 50w-100w guitarists, how much wattage should I look at for Mosfet? For tube?
I'd say you do this
Say quot;**** itquot; and get the mesa bass 400
Originally Posted by Nite_Maresz_25I'd say you do this
Say quot;**** itquot; and get the mesa bass 400 We'll see.....for now I just need something that works.
All tube bass amps are very, very expensive. The best that come to mind are the Ampeg SVT2, and the Mesa 400 . Both are beastly, and both are extreeeemely expensive. The SVT2 is 300 watts, the 400 is around 400 IIRC. Yes, like guitar amps, they really need to be turned up to grind.
If you're in a band with one guitarist, I'd say 300 watts mosfet. If with two guitarists, probably 400 or more mosfet.
Originally Posted by screamingdaisyWe'll see.....for now I just need something that works.
they work.......
.....really really really well!
and Tom, I thought the 400 was 500 watts...?
Originally Posted by Nite_Maresz_25and Tom, I thought the 400 was 500 watts...?
Hence the quot;IIRCquot;
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