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Isnt this a DUNCAN forum?

Other brands are out there, my fav pickups are Fralins, but this isnt really the place for EMG and DImarzio ppl in my opinion.

Some times it's good to compare and post so others can see. Different pickups do different things. Comparing them and having a place to post those comparsions help other players in their search. I personally find that the people who post on this website are people who are willing to help one another in that search for the holy grail of tone. I'm also glad that the folks at are open minded enough to let us do just that.

true. but a couple threads are looking only at DImarzio or EMGs when there are a plethora of other options. Many of the alternatives are probably better suited.

It's completely advantageous to to have people asking about different brands on this board.

What good is it for SD to force a pickup on someone that might not be right for them making them unhappy with the product and furthermore SD and it's affiliated board for recommending it.

I, for one, have no respect for companies that try to sell me only the stuff they have even though they know it might not be the right product for me.

If I go to buy a used car and I need a pickup truck and all the guy has is compact cars.....what good does it do to force a car on someone that doesn't need it? Does that help your credibility and character as a business?? Certainly not.Same thing is applicable here. I've always recommened the right pickup for the job on this board regardless of brand....there's a place for everyone since every pickup and company is different. I'd rather have someone walk away with a tone they like instead of ram-rodding something down someones throat because of company loyalties....that helps no one. Originally Posted by Evan SkoppIt's OK to talk about other pickup brands here. And even to request and offer recommendations for our competitors' pickups. As long as it's done with respect to the competitors and not slagging them.
I agree with you but it still seems like a LOT of other companies are being focused on. Maybe I need to post a couple Fralin threads

Really there wouldn't be this many threads about EMG's and Dimarzios if people would use the search button, theres plenty of duncan threads as well. There is so much info about every type of pickup on this forum theres hardly a need to make a new thread about them.


Originally Posted by Archer_of_FishI agree with you but it still seems like a LOT of other companies are being focused on. Maybe I need to post a couple Fralin threads I've posted Fralin threads as well as other pickup makers.

I agree that there are a lot of DiMarzio and EMG threads. They don't bother me, in fact sometimes I even read them

I think overall it's very good of the company to allow free discussion on this board about any type of pickup. It allows all the members to know the advantages and disadvantages of the other companies' products, and it's not just one-upping SD pickups. You can find information on pretty much anything you want on this board whether it be gear, tone, playing tips, etc etc. If we were only allowed to talk about SD products, there would pretty much only be a pickup lounge here, and that doesn't make for a very interesting board. for diversity!

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All pickups. All the time.KEYWORD: All

By all means, if you want to start a Fralin thread, go right ahead.

I think the reason we see more DMZ and EMG threads here has to do with availability. In terms of aftermarket pickups, SD, DMZ, and EMG are the most heavily marketed for everyday players. Frailins, Bardens, Suhrs, etc don’t have the marketing or productivity to be as widely available to the general public. So for that reason, EMG and DMZ are the most commonly non-SD pickups discussed here, and it’s all because of the increased exposure they get in magazines and in big-box guitar stores.

People have been saying that it’s advantageous for SD to allow discussion of their competitor’s merchandise, and I’d say that’s only partially true, in that it reflects goodly upon the image of SD. By allowing these discussions, they are acknowledging that an SD pickup might not be the best solution for every user. However, it’s highly advantageous for the consumer to be able to come to these very forums and get point to point comparisons of many different brands of pickups, rather than having to go numerous boards, websites, reviews, etc, etc.

BTW, this is the best place on the internet that I've found to talk about pickups. Any pickups. Hats off to Duncan for making this possible. I would be more likely to buy from them because I feel kindly towards them for the freedom to compare options.

Why wouldn't Duncan let their competition be discussed on their page? It gives them a better reputation, and gives them the chance to give advice towards their own line of pickups when another doesn't suit the person asking the question.

I think the fact that people feel free to openly discuss their real opinions about anything pickup related is what makes this board worth reading. I wouldn't bother coming here if it was just a bunch of Duncan advocats doing endless plugs for thier products. There are a lot of forums like that on the net and they are pretty useless because of the heavy bias. There is certainly a Duncan bias on this site, but plenty of guys who hang out here use any brand of pickups and plenty of guys don't have any Duncans at all.

Mike


Originally Posted by ranalliIt's completely advantageous to to have people asking about different brands on this board.

What good is it for SD to force a pickup on someone that might not be right for them making them unhappy with the product and furthermore SD and it's affiliated board for recommending it.

I, for one, have no respect for companies that try to sell me only the stuff they have even though they know it might not be the right product for me.

If I go to buy a used car and I need a pickup truck and all the guy has is compact cars.....what good does it do to force a car on someone that doesn't need it? Does that help your credibility and character as a business?? Certainly not.Same thing is applicable here. I've always recommened the right pickup for the job on this board regardless of brand....there's a place for everyone since every pickup and company is different. I'd rather have someone walk away with a tone they like instead of ram-rodding something down someones throat because of company loyalties....that helps no one. 10000000000000000000000000 plus the fact that's how free economy works............


Originally Posted by ParameterManBTW, this is the best place on the internet that I've found to talk about pickups. Any pickups. Hats off to Duncan for making this possible. I would be more likely to buy from them because I feel kindly towards them for the freedom to compare options.I agree, this place is totally flame free.That is really nice


Originally Posted by ranalliIt's completely advantageous to to have people asking about different brands on this board. What good is it for SD to force a pickup on someone that might not be right for them making them unhappy with the product and furthermore SD and it's affiliated board for recommending it.

I like that Duncan lets us talk about any brand, but let's not get carried away. Even if they didn't let us talk other brands, that wouldn't qualify as them quot;forcingquot; their stuff on us. We're free to refuse to buy another Duncan from this day forward.Originally Posted by ranalliI, for one, have no respect for companies that try to sell me only the stuff they have even though they know it might not be the right product for me.

What stuff can any company sell you other than the stuff that they have? They're not there to sell you their competitors' gear. Seymour isn't selling us his competitors' products, he's merely allowing us to discuss them in here.Originally Posted by ranalliIf I go to buy a used car and I need a pickup truck and all the guy has is compact cars.....what good does it do to force a car on someone that doesn't need it? Does that help your credibility and character as a business?? Certainly not.

I would first ask what a customer is doing looking for a truck from a dealer who only has compact cars. The buyer has some responsibility too -- in that he can't expect salesmen to steer him away from what they're trying to sell. They've got mouths to feed too.Originally Posted by ranalliSame thing is applicable here. I've always recommened the right pickup for the job on this board regardless of brand....there's a place for everyone since every pickup and company is different. I'd rather have someone walk away with a tone they like instead of ram-rodding something down someones throat because of company loyalties....that helps no one.

If I was in charge at I would much rather have you buy my pickups than someone else's and I'm sure Seymour himself feels the same way. But he apparently has enough confidence in his product's combination of price and quality that he's convinced most people will stay with him. So far it seems to be working.

But let's not kid ourselves -- the moment Seymour believes that allowing us to talk other brands is costing him too much business, he will change the rule in a microsecond. And all of us would do the same. He is not selling pickups so he can go out of business.


Originally Posted by ZhangliqunI like that Duncan lets us talk about any brand, but let's not get carried away. Even if they didn't let us talk other brands, that wouldn't qualify as them quot;forcingquot; their stuff on us. We're free to refuse to buy another Duncan from this day forward.
What stuff can any company sell you other than the stuff that they have? They're not there to sell you their competitors' gear. Seymour isn't selling us his competitors' products, he's merely allowing us to discuss them in here.
I would first ask what a customer is doing looking for a truck from a dealer who only has compact cars. The buyer has some responsibility too -- in that he can't expect salesmen to steer him away from what they're trying to sell. They've got mouths to feed too.
If I was in charge at I would much rather have you buy my pickups than someone else's and I'm sure Seymour himself feels the same way. But he apparently has enough confidence in his product's combination of price and quality that he's convinced most people will stay with him. So far it seems to be working.

But let's not kid ourselves -- the moment Seymour believes that allowing us to talk other brands is costing him too much business, he will change the rule in a microsecond. And all of us would do the same. He is not selling pickups so he can go out of business.Seems you missed the point. Many people coming in here dont' know what pickup they need necessarily and both, you, I and Seymour would be foolish to think that the Duncan line contains something for everyone....it doesn't...nor does EMG, Dimarzio, etc. It's the simple fact that many pickups are so unique that they don't have equivalents in another brand.....prime examples are pickups like the JB and Super Distortion.

I have a tough time thinking of a good reason to recommend someone a pickup they will return anyway because it wasn't right for them. You lose credibility and don't get the sale....nobody wins in that case.

I think it's creditable that discussion of other brands isn't prohibited. Seymour is cool enough to know that there are horses for courses. Competition does not always have to mean cutting the competitor's throat. As a businessman myself i often find myself competing with people who I like and respect and who are, in my opinion, as good as myself, if not better at some things. i sometimes send them business, sometimes they send me some. The aim is to give the customer the best service at the least cost to ourselves and to the customer.

The truth is that there are some areas where Dimarzio rule (stacked buckers and massive output buckers) and some where SD rule (Strat sized buckers and vintage replicas) and some crossover areas. Seymour doesn't do anything like the DLX...

I was surprised at a recent SD seminar to hear Evan mention EMG as the progenitor of the active pickup, while nevertheless talking up the range of Duncan actives. This is simply giving credit where credit's due but reminding his customer base that, yes, we too also have a presence in this line and we are worthy of consideration when you come to make your choice.


Originally Posted by ranalliIt's completely advantageous to to have people asking about different brands on this board.

What good is it for SD to force a pickup on someone that might not be right for them making them unhappy with the product and furthermore SD and it's affiliated board for recommending it.

I, for one, have no respect for companies that try to sell me only the stuff they have even though they know it might not be the right product for me.

If I go to buy a used car and I need a pickup truck and all the guy has is compact cars.....what good does it do to force a car on someone that doesn't need it? Does that help your credibility and character as a business?? Certainly not.Same thing is applicable here. I've always recommened the right pickup for the job on this board regardless of brand....there's a place for everyone since every pickup and company is different. I'd rather have someone walk away with a tone they like instead of ram-rodding something down someones throat because of company loyalties....that helps no one.

i so agree and its nice to come to an open minded forum like this. I have found for certain guitars duncan does the trick but in other guitars i can only find my sound with dimarzio. ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by vinterlandReally there wouldn't be this many threads about EMG's and Dimarzios if people would use the search button, theres plenty of duncan threads as well. There is so much info about every type of pickup on this forum theres hardly a need to make a new thread about them.Dude, you could put a huge fricking blinkign sign in teh middle of every page quot;Search before starting a new threadquot;, and still 99% of the people would be oblivious to the function´s existence