I know set neck offer excellent sustain generally but how do neck thru body desings do I have never owned one but I Am likley going to get one. With an origianal floyd rose. Any info would be appreciated greatly.
I don't think there is a formula for great sustain any more than there's a formula for great tone. Some of remember how 20 years ago, folks thought that 12 pound bodies would offer great sustain.
Great sustain is where you find it, generally in a solidly-built instrument. I don't know that any construction technique or design will guarantee it.
In my experience, yes, a neck-thru can offer great sustain. But, a trem might offset that, as might the finish, and various other factors.
But in general I would say yes.
Originally Posted by alecleeI don't think there is a formula for great sustain any more than there's a formula for great tone. Some of remember how 20 years ago, folks thought that 12 pound bodies would offer great sustain.
Great sustain is where you find it, generally in a solidly-built instrument. I don't know that any construction technique or design will guarantee it.
I'd agree. I thought that set neck was the guaranteed formula, but the two recent guitars with bolt on necks have better sustain than any of the set neck guitars I've owned up to this point.
My neck thru w/ a OFR sustains beautifully. Better than my Lester or any other I've played!
I own a McNaught with a set-thru neck and a Ibanez with a bolt on neck and I can tell you I cannot tell any difference in sustain. However, there is a difference in tone unplugged. The McNaught is loud acoustically whereas the Ibanez sounds like every other electric unplugged.
Theres no differance I've ever noticed in sustain compared to a bolt on neck guitar in the same price range. If you compare a $6000 les paul and a $500 bolt on neck cort there is going to be a differance in sustain. But theres nothing noticable otherwise, as for class, neck thru body guitars are so much cooler.
Originally Posted by alecleeI don't think there is a formula for great sustain any more than there's a formula for great tone. Some of remember how 20 years ago, folks thought that 12 pound bodies would offer great sustain.
Great sustain is where you find it, generally in a solidly-built instrument. I don't know that any construction technique or design will guarantee it.
1000... I can build you a bolt on that will easily outsustain a Les paul or a Neckthru... it´s not a question of Method, it´s a question of quality and craftsmanship (as well as the wood, of course)
I#8217;ve got a couple of really snug fit bolt ons that sustain incredibly well (dare I say better than my LP). But none of them hold a candle to my Mockingbird, which will seemingly hold a note as long as I feel like fretting it.
My Firebird is One of my best sounding guitars,But... I've never found in to excel in the sustain dept.
My bolt-on Warmoth hardtail strats sustain far better than my my set neck SG and just as well as my set neck PRS Soapbar SE2.
Originally Posted by kmcguitarsMy Firebird is One of my best sounding guitars,But... I've never found in to excel in the sustain dept.
Sort of the same with my Thunderbird. It does that Thunderbird sound phenomenally- but it too, does not excell in the sustain department... My Gamp;L and Jazz crush.
This may come off as kind of snotty, but how much quot;sustainquot; do you actually need? In all seriousness, the quality of construction and materials are more conducive to quot;sustainquot; than the method of construction.
Just speaking from a physics standpoint, to add to what others have said, the biggest factor on sustain from a construction standpoint is a good, solid continuous path from the nut to the bridge. That's why a well built bolt-on can often rival an LP in sustain - you can just get it tighter.
Theoretically, if you're using the same piece of wood (building one instead of the other), a perfectly built neck through SHOULD offer more sustain, because any time you change materials in the path you'll lose energy. Of course there are so many other factors like imperfections in a certain piece of wood, loose tolerances (compared to exact), paint, hardware, etc. that help to even the playing field.
If you had a master luthier make all three types, you probably won't be able to tell much difference. The big deal with the guitars on the market now, is that the neck-through guitars are usually higher-end guitars and aren't even a fair comparison to the majority of bolt-ons out there.
Originally Posted by The Golden BoyThis may come off as kind of snotty, but how much quot;sustainquot; do you actually need? In all seriousness, the quality of construction and materials are more conducive to quot;sustainquot; than the method of construction.
Enough so that Nigel can quot;go get a bite, come back, and have it still playing.quot;
Sorry Golden, I couldn't pass it up. Actually, I tend to agree with you.
Originally Posted by JammerMattEnough so that Nigel can quot;go get a bite, come back, and have it still playing.quot;
Sorry Golden, I couldn't pass it up. Actually, I tend to agree with you.
I haven't really noticed that much more sustain on my thru neck guitars vs. set vs. bolt-on, but there is a big difference in the feel. On my Esp's with neck thru's there is no heel or thick body at the neck joint. Just a very smooth, seamless neck. To me the feel of the neck is the biggest benefit.
Originally Posted by The Golden BoyThis may come off as kind of snotty, but how much quot;sustainquot; do you actually need? In all seriousness, the quality of construction and materials are more conducive to quot;sustainquot; than the method of construction.
I get what your saying. The reason for my question is that i was wondering if a neck thru design would make up some sustain i might lose with a floyd temolo. The guitar i am looking at just happens to be one i was not set on a neck thru origianly.
The difficulty with all of this is that different types of woods and different neck-set configurations not only affect the amount of sustain, but also which frequencies sustain. Another variable is the introduction of the amplified sound, which in turn vibrates the body of the guitar (most directly) and adds to the sustain of certain other frequencies.
When one factors all of this in, the results are quite different than just looking at a simple idea such as quot;transmission of vibration.quot; There are certain parts of the overall sound that you may not want to sustain as much as others. This is why set neck guitars have a particular response versus bolt on versus neck through as well.
For example, if the quot;lost energyquot; theory was all we cared about, we might be all playing aluminum bar-guitars with no extra material on the body to rob vibration from the strings.
Of course, I've played some maple neck through guitars that sounded a lot like a billet of aluminum! That's why they make such great quot;metalquot; guitars.
haha
GS
Originally Posted by GuitarSandwichThe difficulty with all of this is that different types of woods and different neck-set configurations not only affect the amount of sustain, but also which frequencies sustain. Another variable is the introduction of the amplified sound, which in turn vibrates the body of the guitar (most directly) and adds to the sustain of certain other frequencies.
When one factors all of this in, the results are quite different than just looking at a simple idea such as quot;transmission of vibration.quot; There are certain parts of the overall sound that you may not want to sustain as much as others. This is why set neck guitars have a particular response versus bolt on versus neck through as well.
For example, if the quot;lost energyquot; theory was all we cared about, we might be all playing aluminum bar-guitars with no extra material on the body to rob vibration from the strings.
Of course, I've played some maple neck through guitars that sounded a lot like a billet of aluminum! That's why they make such great quot;metalquot; guitars.
haha
GS
HE, HE, HE, HA, HA, HA. Now that was funny and CLEAN!!! I like that. Maybe alum is just too metal for me.
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