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What do you make of this pedal?

I thinking about buying one from Ebay but would like some opinions first please

oh yeah, it's $86 shipping (about $17 I think)

i've heard nothing but good about it from others. i'm considering one myself since i'll be buying and amp soon that has no reverb. i can't help with a personal review but i'll give your thread a bump for others to respond to.

-Mike

I just grabbed an amp w/o verb, and have also given the thing some thought...Gearjoneser (who I trust 100% about what is good and bad tone) has one and loves it!

i hear some have bad noise issues and suck tone big time?

I think for a while Electro-Harmonix pedals where considered to be bad tone news because of suspect internal wiring. I've been assured that they've fixed this and all their pedals are now hard-wired (?) and offer true by-pass. I heard this from a salesman trying to sell me an Electro-Harmonix pedal so it has to be taken with a pinch of salt. I've no idea how true this, hopefully some EH expert will be able to clear this up.

If I don't go for the Holy Grail then it would probably be a Boss RV-5. Any thoughts on this?


Originally Posted by benjaturnerI think for a while Electro-Harmonix pedals where considered to be bad tone news because of suspect internal wiring. I've been assured that they've fixed this and all their pedals are now hard-wired (?) and offer true by-pass. I heard this from a salesman trying to sell me an Electro-Harmonix pedal so it has to be taken with a pinch of salt. I've no idea how true this, hopefully some EH expert will be able to clear this up.

If I don't go for the Holy Grail then it would probably be a Boss RV-5. Any thoughts on this?I had a Boss RV-3 and while the delay was prewtty good, I always had a problem with the reverb...

I have a Holy Grail (the pedal, not THE actual holy grail...) and like it a lot. It sounds really good through my silverface Fender champ. It does get a bit on the noisy side, however, once you turn the knob past the 12:00 position. I bought mine from ebay, too, some time back and the price was right.

Mine's awesome, true bypass also. Best reverb pedal on the market. I got mine from ebay too.

ok then, i think i'll snag one when i get the engl since i can't be without a bit of verb!!

-Mike


Originally Posted by XSSIVEok then, i think i'll snag one when i get the engl since i can't be without a bit of verb!!

-Mike

put it right in the effects loop. Sounds awesome

yeah i think i need a crash course on proper effects order and what goes in the loop, what doesn't b/c i hardly use effects now but i'm nearly done buying all the ones i want and it's time to make a board and i need to figure out which ones to go into the loop and which ones if any in line with the guitar...i may have to pick your brain on that.

-Mike


Originally Posted by XSSIVEyeah i think i need a crash course on proper effects order and what goes in the loop, what doesn't b/c i hardly use effects now but i'm nearly done buying all the ones i want and it's time to make a board and i need to figure out which ones to go into the loop and which ones if any in line with the guitar...i may have to pick your brain on that.

-Mike

well to make it simple, put overdrive pedals and such in front of the amp to drive your preamp. Wah pedals and such too. Effects such as modulation, delay, reverb, are better suited for the effects loop.

well that makes sence so i guess i'll put my boss floor tuner after the guitar then my ZW OD after that then my wah then into the amp and the rest of the toys go in the loop...thanks!

oh wait, where does a whammy fit in...loop i would guess or no?

-Mike


Originally Posted by XSSIVEwell that makes sence so i guess i'll put my boss floor tuner after the guitar then my ZW OD after that then my wah then into the amp and the rest of the toys go in the loop...thanks!

oh wait, where does a whammy fit in...loop i would guess or no?

-Mike

I'm too tired to think but I believe the effects loop comes after the preamp whereas the front of the amp goes directly into the pre of course. I would say you could use a digitech whammy in either, try and see which sounds better.

will do, thanks for the info...i'm still waiting on that since it and the ZW OD are my birthday presents from my other band memebers...man those guys rock!

-Mike


Originally Posted by XSSIVEwill do, thanks for the info...i'm still waiting on that since it and the ZW OD are my birthday presents from my other band memebers...man those guys rock!

-Mike

Wow, band members giving Birthday gifts (other than beers)??? That's a 1st.

I like the Holy Grail because it's the only reverb unit that doesn't introduce a digital ping sound when used in front of an amp, especially when you smack a chord real hard. I'll agree that it can be a bit noisy if you use it for dramatic reverb, but you usually won't. It's also kinda sensitive to bad electricity.....if your electricity is noisy, the pedal will exacerbate the problem.

The good news is that you can use it in FX loops and directly into the input. On 4 input amps, I plug the guitar into the amp's 1st input, then run the 2nd input into the Holy Grail, out of the HG into the 3rd input. That way, on a Plexi or Bassman, you can get a nice direct to amp tone, but use the 2nd volume to mix in a bit of reverb. NEVER forget that trick!!!

how does it work? Does it have a AD-DA connection like most rack units do? If so, does it suck tone? My problem with digitech units is that they suck so much tone out of my 5150, I'd much rather play without a reverb (dry yes I know) than to live with the tone suck.


Originally Posted by the guy who invented fireI had a Boss RV-3 and while the delay was prewtty good, I always had a problem with the reverb...

1 man, the only reason I'm keeping my RV-3 is because it's becoming a collector's item.

How about the Holier Grail? I hear it smokes the Holy Grail, but you have to like fiddling with it a little more