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Quick question... why is that ESP can make 24 fret bolt on necks but warmoth can only do 21 fret necks (I'm excluding extended fretboards with this question).

I assume the reason for warmoth is compatibility with strats... so perhaps the question is how does ESP make 24 fret bolt ons?

Same way Ibanez does the 24 fret wizard necks... the neck pocket is closer to the bridge and the neck itself is physically longer than a strat neck. This requires pickups be moved closer to the bridge.

Warmoth has said they are researching Jackson-style 24 frets for production.


Originally Posted by Captain TightpantsWarmoth has said they are researching Jackson-style 24 frets for production.

Researching? Yeah, that's necessary, coz the guys at Ibanez, ESP, Jackson, Yamaha, etc... are magicians


Originally Posted by JB_From_HellResearching? Yeah, that's necessary, coz the guys at Ibanez, ESP, Jackson, Yamaha, etc... are magicians

Originally Posted by JB_From_HellResearching? Yeah, that's necessary, coz the guys at Ibanez, ESP, Jackson, Yamaha, etc... are magicians

yes their Craft (guitar neck) skill must advace to lvl 4 before they can produce such items


Originally Posted by Tux789yes their Craft (guitar neck) skill must advace to lvl 4 before they can produce such items

And they must have the 24 Tome of Frettiness

and make at least a 16 on a 1d20 check

Smartasses...lol

Warmoth is asking for folks to send them their Jackson bolt-ons so they can get the right measurements. They are different from Fender's so in order to get them right, they're going right to the market to get examples. There are probably several different heel widths and depths. It's not just a matter of cranking out any old replacement neck, there's lots of figures to take in to account, especially for Jackson players. They are a picky bunch, just ask Zerb...lol.


Originally Posted by ErikHSmartasses...lol

Warmoth is asking for folks to send them their Jackson bolt-ons so they can get the right measurements. They are different from Fender's so in order to get them right, they're going right to the market to get examples. There are probably several different heel widths and depths. It's not just a matter of cranking out any old replacement neck, there's lots of figures to take in to account, especially for Jackson players. They are a picky bunch, just ask Zerb...lol.

Me, a smartass? Never, it's just Tux's influence

Well, I hope something comes of that in the next month or two, I'd love to be able to put together a proper 24 fret guitar

Keep in mind that they only plan on doing the necks, not bodies. Losers... THey did a nice job on my pickguard tho...

You obviously didn't look here: from : localhost/fret necks sound better though. With 22 frets, the neck pickup can sit under the harmonic node.


Originally Posted by MikeRockerYou obviously didn't look here: from : localhost/fret necks sound better though. With 22 frets, the neck pickup can sit under the harmonic node.

On the contrary, I did look there. Two problems though... the frets are just extensions, making access harder, and I can't fit a neck pup in.Originally Posted by pinto79Keep in mind that they only plan on doing the necks, not bodies. Losers...

Originally Posted by SpiderVenomOn the contrary, I did look there. Two problems though... the frets are just extensions, making access harder, and I can't fit a neck pup in.

The Warmoth Soloist bodies have deeper access than the strat bodies, making the 24 fret extension worth while. If you did a universal route with a strat style pickguard you could slide the neck pickup back to the bridge enough to clear the fretboard extension.

Are you building a guitar or fitting an existing body with a new 24 fret neck? Either way, you have to have the proper neck pocket for the neck you are going to use for scale and intonation reasons.


Originally Posted by MikeSThe Warmoth Soloist bodies have deeper access than the strat bodies, making the 24 fret extension worth while. If you did a universal route with a strat style pickguard you could slide the neck pickup back to the bridge enough to clear the fretboard extension.

Are you building a guitar or fitting an existing body with a new 24 fret neck? Either way, you have to have the proper neck pocket for the neck you are going to use for scale and intonation reasons.

I'm planning to build the guitar out of Warmoth parts. I see what you mean about the neck pickup, but as far as I can see, the Soloist body is only offered as a rear route, and at any rate, I really don't want a pickguard... just a preference thing.


Originally Posted by SpiderVenomI'm planning to build the guitar out of Warmoth parts. I see what you mean about the neck pickup, but as far as I can see, the Soloist body is only offered as a rear route, and at any rate, I really don't want a pickguard... just a preference thing.

If you don't want a pickguard, you want rear route.

My suggestion would be to call them and see what they have to say. There are a couple 24 fret soloists with neck pickups in the gallery, so surely Warmoth must offer an alternate rout or something.

The other option is to realise that no one really needs 24 frets.


Originally Posted by ErikHIf you don't want a pickguard, you want rear route.

Yeah, I sorta had a rough idea of that Originally Posted by MikeSThe other option is to realise that no one really needs 24 frets.

Sounds like a plan Having the neck pickup at the harmonic node sounds nice anyway

I actually can't stand 24 fret necks. I've been playing 22 fret for so long that 24 throws me off. My mind is programmed to know that the last fret is the 22nd and bend a full step to get the octave. If I play on a 24 fret, I mess up....lol. 21 frets I can handle but I prefer 22.

Spider, I was hoping you did realize that, just making sure cause it didn't sound that way from your statement.


Originally Posted by MikeRockerYou obviously didn't look here: from : localhost/fret necks sound better though. With 22 frets, the neck pickup can sit under the harmonic node.

I think the harmonic node theory isn't that great tbh..

It's because the pickup is moved further away from the bridge. The closer to the neck you go, the less bright and more plummy the tone will be. You can test that theory by picking an acoustic nearer the bridge, then moving to pick closer and closer to the neck. IMO it's the placement just that bit closer to the neck that makes the difference in sound.

The harmonic node stuff I think just stems from Ed Roman's rant. It will shift as you shift notes on the neck. On a 22 fretter, that makes the 'node' over the pup when you're playing open strings. But if you fret a 2nd or 3rd fret or whatever, it's no longer over the 'node'. On a 24 fretter, the open strings aren't over the 'node' but if you moved a few frets up the 'node' would be on top of the pup.

I don't notice any change in tone when my notes are over the 'node'..

Unless I have the whole concept of where the nodes are wrong