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There is a shop here that still has two new PRS Singlecut guitars, at very good prices!..... I played them both yesterday and was blown away by both tone and playability.

One is a tri-sunburst with Dragon II's stoptail and moons and the other is emerald green trem Dragon II's and moons, both have flame tops.... very nice ones at that!

Im not really into green guitars so the tri sunburst one might be mine soon, i cant get over the way they sound unplugged!

But do i need it.... no, do i want it YES! I already have a handmade Rico jr guitar and a custom shop ESP, but..... this thing is just so beautiful and im going into my vintage stage now and this fits the bill!

Anyone else here have Singlecuts and care to tell me if i should take the plunge!!??

Cheers!

One more thing, anyone have any pics of their singlecuts? Would be great to see!!

asking that question here is like asking a car salesman if you should buy a car from his dealer ship......so mostlikely everyone repling will say yes.

I've never played a prs singlecut so i cant comment on that.
hope you make the right choice

I'm curious to know what he wants for them? I also would love to own a Singlecut, but you've got to be a serious bidder, if you want to win one nowadays. I'm almost positive that they're the best collectible guitar of our time. The controversy surrounding them just continues to drive their resale price up. Besides all of that, they're great guitars that sound and play incredibly good. The trem versions with a thinner body aren't bad either, but the good ones are the ones with the stop tailpiece.

Of course you want it! BUY! BUY! BUY!

I would like to have one, anyway.


Originally Posted by GearjoneserI'm curious to know what he wants for them? I also would love to own a Singlecut, but you've got to be a serious bidder, if you want to win one nowadays. I'm almost positive that they're the best collectible guitar of our time. The controversy surrounding them just continues to drive their resale price up. Besides all of that, they're great guitars that sound and play incredibly good. The trem versions with a thinner body aren't bad either, but the good ones are the ones with the stop tailpiece.

The guitars are in a shop down here in New Zealand.... i just put down some money on the tri sunburst, so it will be mine now!

The emerald green one is still there, for how long i dont know.

They want $3999.00 NZ dollars for it. At the moment i think the exchange rate is 72 cents U.S = $1 dollar kiwi.

So it isnt to bad.

i should have all the money for this new toy in another 2 weeks, so pics to come.

Very happy!

When they first got released here they were $5495.00 NZ dollars! So the drop in price is very welcome by me.
These are the versions with the Les Paul type wiring set up with the 3 way toggle at the top and 4 pots below, 2 x volume a 2 x tone. The best setup i think.

Congrats! -I've played both those exact guitars, and they're great pieces. Love the sunburst one.

Plus I'm glad you didn't snap up the teal black McCarty Soapbar. I may grab that one myself...

I know it sounds redundant, but the primo models of PRS are really the classics of today.
Les Pauls, Strats, and Teles already peaked. Now, they're just trying to cling onto the idea of collectibility. PRS is in their prime years, so if you find a 86 PRS Custom 24, Dragon, 94 1st year McCarty, Singlecut, or Brazilian rosewood McCarty, or Millenium models, you're doing the equivalent of buying early Gibsons and Fenders. Don't balk at the price of a Singlecut, because that price ain't NEVER comin down! Singlecuts will be a prized piece in years to come.

I can't disagree with Gearjonser enough on this.

I respect his opinion, and I understand where he is coming from with them in regard to the Singlecut, but I honestly think that the Singlecut Bubble will burst.

There's way too much money for both Gibson to make by licensing and PRS to make by selling Singlecuts again for them to not come to an agreement. Singlecut production will begin again and, to RPS credit, they'll be just as good as they were previously.

The older PRS' are collectors items, that I will agree on. But those are more from a perspective of having something when it was in an embryonic stage.


Originally Posted by SkarekroughI can't disagree with Gearjonser enough on this.

I respect his opinion, and I understand where he is coming from with them in regard to the Singlecut, but I honestly think that the Singlecut Bubble will burst.

There's way too much money for both Gibson to make by licensing and PRS to make by selling Singlecuts again for them to not come to an agreement. Singlecut production will begin again and, to RPS credit, they'll be just as good as they were previously.

The older PRS' are collectors items, that I will agree on. But those are more from a perspective of having something when it was in an embryonic stage.

I think a pre-licensed single-cut though will be more collectable just because it will be able to hold that title.

I don't think most modern guitars will ever 'explode' on the market, fetching crazy money, but I think most desireable PRS models will increase slightly in price, or at very least, hold full retail value. It'll be interesting to see what the 90's guitar market is like in the years 2030-2050. It could get so oversaturated that people just don't care, or certain 'last century' pieces will command a high dollar. I think it would be awesome if the 90's was seen as a prime vintage decade.

I have been wondering if Gibson and PRS will sort out some understanding and put together something that both partys are happy with, and let the singlecut bought back into production.

Im not sure if Paul Reed Smith would bowe easliy and pay Gibson royaltys though........ Maybe time will tell.

As my mama used to say, quot;What does need have to do with it?? :-)

Are you sure they're D2s? The #7 pickup was standard equipment.


Originally Posted by GearjoneserI don't think most modern guitars will ever 'explode' on the market, fetching crazy money, but I think most desireable PRS models will increase slightly in price, or at very least, hold full retail value. It'll be interesting to see what the 90's guitar market is like in the years 2030-2050. It could get so oversaturated that people just don't care, or certain 'last century' pieces will command a high dollar. I think it would be awesome if the 90's was seen as a prime vintage decade.

One of the main reasons the vintage guitar market exists today is because there has been a population explosion. With more demand and a set number of instruments the price has done what it has.

Thye 90's weren't really an era of shortages at all and while the population is still growing I think that things like the internet an eBay have made items so readily available that it actually has lowered the price on some instruments as the result of catering to the almost immediate gratification factor.

Pre-lawsuit Singlecuts may fetch more when all is said and done, but I think the price will be really marginal. Unless PRS' QC drops through the floor when they start making them again or Gibsons demands for licensing change (all volume knobs must be on the headstock) then the price difference I'm thinking will be marginal.

Hey....I could be totally off on this one. I thought the McDLT was a can't lose sort of idea......

Skarekrough, do you think PRS and Gibson will deal with each other for a Singlecut licensing deal? I think they see PRS as a major threat, and in light of all Gibson's maneuvering lately, I think Gibson isn't interested in PRS having a LP lookalike on the market. I don't think PRS wants to kiss Gibson's ass either. The Singlecut was available from around 99-2004, I believe. I think those will be the last we'll see.

I think they'll hold value for now, but who knows what value they'll have, years from now? To be honest, I don't even care about the collectibility aspect. If I were to buy one, I'd play the heck out of it. They're nice guitars!


Originally Posted by alecleeAre you sure they're D2s? The #7 pickup was standard equipment.

Yes true the #7 and #6's i do believe. the store had the D2's and all the other specs on a prs information sheet next to both guitars...... i'll investergate this further.


Originally Posted by GearjoneserSkarekrough, do you think PRS and Gibson will deal with each other for a Singlecut licensing deal? I think they see PRS as a major threat, and in light of all Gibson's maneuvering lately, I think Gibson isn't interested in PRS having a LP lookalike on the market. I don't think PRS wants to kiss Gibson's ass either. The Singlecut was available from around 99-2004, I believe. I think those will be the last we'll see.

I think they'll hold value for now, but who knows what value they'll have, years from now? To be honest, I don't even care about the collectibility aspect. If I were to buy one, I'd play the heck out of it. They're nice guitars!

There's no doubt that PRS was chewing into Gibsons market. Gibsons QC control has been abysmal and arguably Gibson did it to themselves along the way by NOT keeping an eye on things and by having a Custom Shop that really wasn't responsive to players wants; it took them forever to get an order out.

The money's too good, for both sides. There's more to gain on both sides by licensing. Someone who had their heart set on a Singlecut who can't get one now will find another place to get one, and that place probably won't be Gibson. They'll go with the used market if their heart is set or start looking at other companies or even local luthiers to build them. Ironically alot of this is the result of backlash from Gibsons legal manuvers.

To me the Singlecuts were an evolutionary next step in the instrument. Gibson has been trying to take the step for years and every time they try they never quite get it right and the purists shout them down anyway. It's horribly ironic...those that profess to really be devotees probably had the largest hand in stagnating their designs and evolution.

PRS did it right...and they spanked Gibson in the process.

But if you can credit Gibson for anything it's for knowing the value of a dollar. The money's is too good for the production of Singlecuts for both parties NOT to come to an agreement.

I really think that once they go back into production the 99-04 ones will just be a novelty. PRS has proven they are great at QC so it isn't going to be an issue of the older ones being lesser instruments. The only way you'll see a departure is if Gibson decides to be pains in the ass and mandates something stupid like volume knobs on the headstock or phalluses for inlays.

You're right about Gibson failing to update their Les Paul design. Every time they've come out with one, it's been a failure.......like the LP Lites, The Paul, SG Z, and all the other 'misses.'

Right now, PRS is focusing on variants of the McCarty, which is probably a good idea. I'd still love to see PRS come out with a new singlecutaway guitar that defies all the Gibson trademarks, so it's seen as a new original. Kind of like Washburn's high end guitars being different enough from the LP bodyshape to be considered original.


Originally Posted by GearjoneserYou're right about Gibson failing to update their Les Paul design. Every time they've come out with one, it's been a failure.......like the LP Lites, The Paul, SG Z, and all the other 'misses.'

Right now, PRS is focusing on variants of the McCarty, which is probably a good idea. I'd still love to see PRS come out with a new singlecutaway guitar that defies all the Gibson trademarks, so it's seen as a new original. Kind of like Washburn's high end guitars being different enough from the LP bodyshape to be considered original.

I aggree, and i think that PRS would be the company to comeup with such i thing. Something that still had the vintage line of the singlecut but be different enough from the Les Paul to be seen as a refreshing new change on somehing classic. Hopefully something is already in the pipelines in that direction.

Who knows wot happening behind closed doors!