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The old type tweed speakers weren't exactly JBL's for the 59 bassman and tweed twin. They sounded great im sure. Once you get into the blackface zone, rich cleans with a bit of smooth overdrive over the top when cranked are key.

Some people in the forum are like lew and dig the low efficiency Celestions in his Fender combos. I personally love the high efficiency, clean, big tone of JBL's in fenders.

My goal here is pretty much begging the question-Does speaker grit add or subtract from the Fender tone taste wise? I'll be fishing for a vibrolux and plan on loading it with Weber Michigan Ceramic speakers, 100 watts of power handling each. Sounds crazy? I'm sure! But i want it squeaky clean speaker wise so i can let the tubes sing rather than have the speakers fart. Who's with me on this one?!

most of the Celestions are NOT low efficiency, IMO

well they are LOW wattage handling and generate plenty of distortion when cranked. I'm talkin greenbacks and g12h30's-30 watt speakers.....Fenders aren't 4x12's so you dont get the same high wattage handling as marshall stacks.

I dislike squacky clean speakers,no life.
And the tubes...well it is a combination to get a pleasent sound, midrange guitarsounds really don't sound very nice ultraclean.

well, OK ... power rating and efficiency are two different things ... but I think I understand your question ...

in regards to a Vibrolux, you should probably play one before deciding

I was considering that amp, as it's a nice package with reasonable power. Seymour has one, and Evan commented that it broke up a little early. I was talking to someone yesterday who just sold his, and he said the same thing, but noted that although it breaks up early, it's still a loud amp.

from the specs, I think the P10Rs are likely a little underpowered, or at least weak in the tone department. If I got one, I would probably want something like P10Qs, P10Q/ C10Q, or the Weber 10s that Lew said he likes - something with a little better tone that would still retain the dynamic character of the amp.

if you want bright/ clean tone, then of course you can achieve that with different speakers, preamp tubes and your bias; however, it sounds to me like you're trying to turn a Vibrolux into a Twin

there are so many different Fender amps, and they were all designed with their own character, so I would suggest deciding on the tone you want, then finding the best amp for that tone, rather than the other way around

JMO, of course

Yeah, i see what you mean Curly. Do you think that a vibrolux can cut it for small outdoor gigs etc?

And which Weber would you recommend to get that old Jensen tone? Like a good compromise between efficiency and tone? Do you think i should go ceramic on this one, or would alnico do the job fine?

Throw down your ideas Curly! I'm a blues guy too and need some tone guidance! I just want a no nonsense, sweet fender tone that doesn't break up THAT early so i can do clean chording, etc without having too much grit behind it. I love the singing tone of my bandmaster and am sure that the Vibrolux will sing like a champ too (no pun intended) with my strat's surfers.

I think the Weber 10F150T would provide a great compromise between power handling and later breakup with a great EQ (good lows and highs) and character. I love the one in my SF Princeton, and Ted recommended a pair for my BF/blonde Tremolux, which is a piggyback nonverb version of the Vibrolux.

what does the T stand for? Treblier?

How does the regular one stack up against the T version? How trebly is it?

I don't think it stands for more treble, but it's ribbed rather than straight cone. IIRC, it is supposed to break up later, have tighter lows, and more articulate highs than the standard 10F150, all of which should be more true of the ceramic versions than the alnico versions anyway. Check out the Weber web site for the details and some sound clips.

I like them both.

I have an EV 12L paired with a Celestion Vintage 30 in a sealed Marshall cab that I use with my Blackface Bassman and it sounds wonderful.

It's tight, lively , and sparkly when clean. When driven, the sound really fills up, the mids come out, and it's loud. Very, very loud.

Mis-matching speakers might be something to onsider.

very slick....

Power handling will only be as much as the lowest wattage speaker times the number of speakers, am i right?

Perhaps ill mix the 10F150 with the 10F150T for a thick and warm yet articulate vibrolux tone?

Or what about the P ones?

I like JBLs in Fenders.


Originally Posted by Quencho092very slick....

Power handling will only be as much as the lowest wattage speaker times the number of speakers, am i right?Don't know for sure, but that's the impression I'm under.

Look at Eminince speakers also. They make a couple of high powered 10' speakers as part of the Patriot and Red Coat series.

I don't know much about the voicings on these or pretty much any other 10's. I'm more of a 12quot; guy myself.

If all else fails, email Ted Weber and describe what you want. He carries Eminence as well as his own line, and he's very responsive and helpful.

thanks everyone.

In a parallel circuit, the potential distribution is equal, but the amount of current is still dependent on the values of the resistors.
All the speakers will be receiving the same amount of voltage whether or not one is more capable of handling power over the other.