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I'm looking to possibly upgrade my soundcard for PC recording. I want something that will work well with my behringer v-amp2, maybe something with 1/4quot; inputs to run left and right outs from the vamp.

Price range will probably be $100-$150.

What would be good to look at?

Also a stupid question. Will a preamp still be needed for this setup?

This should be in the tips/clips room, but nonetheless...I've done a ton of research on this, and the M-Audio Audiophile 2496 is your best bet. However, it has RCA inputs instead of 1/4quot;. A radioshack adapter will fix this problem easily, though.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Anyone familiar with the E-MU 0404, it is the same price as the maudio 2496 but has 1/4quot; inputs and up to 192khz sampling.

The 2496 has rca inputs and up to 96khz sampling. Any difference in quality? drivers? etc.

I had an M-Audio Delta 66 and it worked very well. I think there's a Delta 44 as well.

the delta 1010lt has gone down in price drastically, just like its other cousins. This is a 100% internal card with RCA ins and outs, which works awesome with a regular analog mixer.

I have a bunch of audiophile friends who have the 0404 and like it a lot, they say it sounds more intense and fun than the 1212 does, but I don't know how it compares to the quot;audiophilequot; but I'd get the 0404.

The Echo Mia or MiaMidi.. 1/4 inputs and out, as well as spdif in/ot...they sound awesome and are in your price range.


Originally Posted by Ballamp;ChainThanks for the suggestion.

Anyone familiar with the E-MU 0404, it is the same price as the maudio 2496 but has 1/4quot; inputs and up to 192khz sampling.

The 2496 has rca inputs and up to 96khz sampling. Any difference in quality? drivers? etc.

Yes there is technically but you'd hardly ever notice the difference between 96 and 192 Khz.

I disagree..... You don´t necessarily here a difference in sampling rate immediately, but as soon get to mixing you start hearing quot;strangenessquot; if the original signals were only sampled at CD rate or lower..... this is the reason higher sampling rates came into be, because some people DO hear a difference

But for quot;normalquot; use I agree that most won´t notice... But I know it drives me completely batty when I have to rerecord something just becasue of digital artifacts.....

Thanks for the suggestion of the echo card, thats one card I never thought to look at.hames

sampling rate isnt exacty what i meant by quality difference. I was thinking more in terms of difference in the quality of cards themselves. I was wondering that since the 0404 card has more features than the 2496 at the same price and basically the same features as the 192 at about $80 less, that there may be a sacrifice in how well the card is made? Quality of drivers etc?

True but then we'd have to assume that all of his other gear in the recording chain is top notch stuff for him to really appreciate the higher samples rate to justify spending more money on such a piece of gear. Unless there are other benenfits to the 192Khz sound card in question I think there is not much reason for the thread creator to even consider such a luxury when his budget is only $100-$150 and wants to direct record with his V-amp.

In the end, a persons skills at the recording desk will make most of the difference. I've heard people make great sounding material using Sound Blaster Live and heard complete pieces of crap through 24/96 setups.


Originally Posted by Hames JetfieldTrue but then we'd have to assume that all of his other gear in the recording chain is top notch stuff for him to really appreciate the higher samples rate to justify spending more money on such a piece of gear. Unless there are other benenfits to the 192Khz sound card in question I think there is not much reason for the thread creator to even consider such a luxury when his budget is only $100-$150 and wants to direct record with his V-amp.

In the end, a persons skills at the recording desk will make most of the difference. I've heard people make great sounding material using Sound Blaster Live and heard complete pieces of crap through 24/96 setups.

1 on all points, I kind of lost the factors quot;gearquot; and quot;Budgetquot; out of my focus


Originally Posted by Ballamp;Chainhames

sampling rate isnt exacty what i meant by quality difference. I was thinking more in terms of difference in the quality of cards themselves. I was wondering that since the 0404 card has more features than the 2496 at the same price and basically the same features as the 192 at about $80 less, that there may be a sacrifice in how well the card is made? Quality of drivers etc?

Well if it's only $80 difference then I would definitely consider it. I don't really know anyhting about the 0404 either.

The drivers of the M-audio audiophile 2496 are supposed to good drivers, I've never had any problems with mine although I don't think I've really used it's full potential. I think one of it's drawbacks is the fact it uses rca inputs and outputs. The audiophile 2496 has been around for a fair while and has seemed to stand the test of time for the entry level workhorse home studio with it's features and affordability. There might be other cards outdating it though. Look on ebay and you might be able to get a great deal.

from : localhost/think im going to get that in january. its the 2496 in usb form, and its got 1/4quot; input

Just marking this for reference ...

I also noticed that none of these cards have a standard 1/8quot; output for PC speakers. Are they supposed to run intandem with a regular soundcard or should I plan on getting adapters to convert rca to 1/8quot; as well?

I was wondering what it is like for midi samples. I generally use guitar pro for Drums/Bass. Will any of these cards have better soundfonts/samples sounds than what im used to with my turtle beach card?

Also, anyone have clips available using any of these cards discussed?

You can easily find RCA to 1/8quot; adapters at most electronics stores.

You are probably OK using your new sound adapter as the computer's main sound card, but no guarantees. Some of the higher end stuff like my MBox do not do well as a standard Windows sound device. In my case, I use the MBox for ProTools only, and the notebook's built-in sound card for everything else. I also have a little Behringer mixer that sends the sound from both into a pair of studio monitors. The setup is actually a lot more complex than that, but the gist of it is that I run two different sound adapters.

I don't see a reason to need more than 48kHz. In fact, James Murphy would tell you to run 24bits/44kHz if you asked him.


Originally Posted by DeadSkinSlayer3I don't see a reason to need more than 48kHz. In fact, James Murphy would tell you to run 24bits/44kHz if you asked him.

Does james work with sneap these days Jeff?

Holy Thread Resurrection, Batman!

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