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There's an ad in the latest Guitar Player where Eric is bragging it up. Looks like a new version of the reissue too...green magnet cover rather than the black cover on all of mine. Anyone know if this newer reissue is any differant from the G12h-30 Celestion has been making for the last few years? That one is my favorite ceramic magnet Celestion. Thanks! Lew

I saw that also....The GP issue with Santana on the cover...Not sure Lew? Maybe some hype up for the G12H-30 compliments of EJ?


Originally Posted by STRATDELUXER97I saw that also....The GP issue with Santana on the cover...Not sure Lew? Maybe some hype up for the G12H-30 compliments of EJ?

Isn't that Santana interview a great read? That guy really has his priorities straight. Says he'd rather spend time with his children and have to wash dishes for a living than give more time to his music and spend less time with his kids. What a cool guy!

As for the Celestion ad, Eric says: quot;This is the most faithful recreation of the original G12H I have ever heard.quot; Which kind of implies that it might be a little differant from the fabulous sounding G12H-30 reissues that we already know and so many of us love.

I use them in both of my old Deluxe Reverbs...killer in a DR!

Lew

I heard that Eric didn't like the tone of the glue used to adhere the cone to the basket, so they used Kosher Glue, and THEN he stamped his name on it! hahahahaha


Originally Posted by GearjoneserI heard that Eric didn't like the tone of the glue used to adhere the cone to the basket, so they used Kosher Glue, and THEN he stamped his name on it! hahahahaha


-Mike


Originally Posted by GearjoneserI heard that Eric didn't like the tone of the glue used to adhere the cone to the basket, so they used Kosher Glue, and THEN he stamped his name on it! hahahahaha...And he was last seen playing through Peavey Scorpions...


Originally Posted by GearjoneserI heard that Eric didn't like the tone of the glue used to adhere the cone to the basket, so they used Kosher Glue, and THEN he stamped his name on it! hahahahaha

EJ will never get away from saying how he heard the differences batteries made in his tone....Guess the month the batteries are made makes a difference also? Great player though and I Love his music...

Plus he's alot richer than me!


Originally Posted by STRATDELUXER97EJ will never get away from saying how he heard the differences batteries made in his tone....Guess the month the batteries are made makes a difference also? Great player though and I Love his music...

Plus he's alot richer than me!
But there is a diff in tone between alkaline and carbon batteries when you use them in a high quality fuzz like the Fulltone '69. The carbon battery doesn't last as long, but when they're new they do sound a little nicer than alkaline. At least I think they do...and so does Mike Fuller. And Eric Johnson. I think he really can hear that stuff that most of us can't. Lew

I'm currently enjoying the Weber C1230's in my Trutone cab, which are vintage G12H30 replicas anyway...

So what exactly are the g12h30's a replica of? I've got one in a cab with my vintage 30.


Originally Posted by Lewguitar

But there is a diff in tone between alkaline and carbon batteries when you use them in a high quality fuzz like the Fulltone '69. The carbon battery doesn't last as long, but when they're new they do sound a little nicer than alkaline. At least I think they do...and so does Mike Fuller. And Eric Johnson. I think he really can hear that stuff that most of us can't. Lew

Lew.....Hate to say it,but I hear a difference also...The carbon batteries are warmer and rounder sounding....I use the black carbon Eveready batteries in all of my wah mods these days...The starting voltages of a carbon battery is higher than the alkaline,sometimes over 10.5 volts...I hear a difference and I quot;alwaysquot; trust my ears...

As y'all may know there were 2 versions of the G12H30, the 75Hz, and the 55Hz. (resonant freq.) The new quot;Heritage Seriesquot; model that is in the EJ ad is a reissue of the 55Hz model, and the standard model is based on the 75Hz type. The Celestion catalog shows that they will have both types available.

Hope that helps.

I believe you can buy Weber copies of both models as well. If anyone has had experience with both models, I would like to hear a comparison.


Originally Posted by FireBros.As y'all may know there were 2 versions of the G12H30, the 75Hz, and the 55Hz. (resonant freq.) The new quot;Heritage Seriesquot; model that is in the EJ ad is a reissue of the 55Hz model, and the standard model is based on the 75Hz type. The Celestion catalog shows that they will have both types available.

Hope that helps.

It does! Thanks! I always thought the 55 Hz cone was more of a bass speaker. I've also heard though that Jimi Hendrix played through Noel Redding's Marshall bass amp for some of my favorite recordings...the Wind Cries Mary for example. If so, those would have been 55Hz speakers, right?

Before installing the G12H-30's in my Deluxe Reverbs a few years ago, I used a 55Hz G12M-25 Celestion Blackback speaker I purchased new in the 70's. That was a great speaker...but I like the G12H-30 alot more. Louder, deeper, brighter, clearer...

I'd like to hear the new version of the G12H-30...but I'll bet it's made in China.


Originally Posted by GrandorSo what exactly are the g12h30's a replica of? I've got one in a cab with my vintage 30.

G12H30's aren't quot;replicasquot; of anything. They're simply a regular speaker model. What we're talking about is Celestion's new Heritage version of the G12H30, which is supposedly built to the original vintage specs.

I have Weber C1230s, which are, tonally, replicas of the original vintage G12H30s and they sound amazing. The midrange properties are damn near perfect. Gives the guitar a lot of quot;talkquot; if that makes any sense. The bass is nice and deep but not flubby and loose, the mids are clear and articulate, and the highs are crisp and clear but not strident.

I currently have the 75hz versions but I'm gonna switch to the 50W versions as well because I need more headroom out of these things (I'm running them in a 2x12 trutone cab). But i have absolutely no complaints. These speakers are niiiice!


Originally Posted by LewguitarIt does! Thanks! I always thought the 55 Hz cone was more of a bass speaker. I've also heard though that Jimi Hendrix played through Noel Redding's Marshall bass amp for some of my favorite recordings...the Wind Cries Mary for example. If so, those would have been 55Hz speakers, right?

Before installing the G12H-30's in my Deluxe Reverbs a few years ago, I used a 55Hz G12M-25 Celestion Blackback speaker I purchased new in the 70's. That was a great speaker...but I like the G12H-30 alot more. Louder, deeper, brighter, clearer...

I'd like to hear the new version of the G12H-30...but I'll bet it's made in China.

Lew....Any truth to Hendrix also using Fender combo amps(Twin Reverb)etc..in the studio? Seems some of those clean tones could have been BF or early SF amps,plus the Beatles were using the early SF Fender stuff also?


Originally Posted by LewguitarJimi Hendrix played through Noel Redding's Marshall bass amp for some of my favorite recordings...:
One of my favorite cabs for high gain stuff, was an old 70's marshall bass 4x12. I'm guessing it had the 55Hz G12H30's?


Originally Posted by GrandorSo what exactly are the g12h30's a replica of? I've got one in a cab with my vintage 30.

G12H30's are quot;replicasquot; of G12H30's from the 60's and 70's. As you can see in one of my previous posts there were originally 2 versions of the G12H30. I believe they were one of, if not the first Celestions with a heavier ceramic magnet. This allowed them to have more control, and power handling, for low frequencies. That is in comparison to the G12M20 or quot;greenbackquot;, which was the standard Celestion of the day. The Vintage 30 was supposed to be a greenback, with higher power handling. IMHO the vintage 30 sounds much better than the greenback, but it does inhabit the same frequency range, and has a lot of the same midrange character, and bite. Greenback's, Blue's and Vintage 30's all have most of what guitarists are looking for in a guitar speaker, except for tight bass and low mids. That is why all the boutique companies are mixing speakers these days, and trying to get the best of both worlds.


Originally Posted by STRATDELUXER97Lew....Any truth to Hendrix also using Fender combo amps(Twin Reverb)etc..in the studio? Seems some of those clean tones could have been BF or early SF amps,plus the Beatles were using the early SF Fender stuff also?

Aren't there some photos of him playing through a Twin or sitting on a Twin that were shot during the recording of Electric Ladyland? I think he did use a Twin once in a while...maybe for rythym parts? Don't know for sure...

Lew


Originally Posted by FireBros.G12H30's are quot;replicasquot; of G12H30's from the 60's and 70's. As you can see in one of my previous posts there were originally 2 versions of the G12H30. I believe they were one of, if not the first Celestions with a heavier ceramic magnet. This allowed them to have more control, and power handling, for low frequencies. That is in comparison to the G12M20 or quot;greenbackquot;, which was the standard Celestion of the day. The Vintage 30 was supposed to be a greenback, with higher power handling. IMHO the vintage 30 sounds much better than the greenback, but it does inhabit the same frequency range, and has a lot of the same midrange character, and bite. Greenback's, Blue's and Vintage 30's all have most of what guitarists are looking for in a guitar speaker, except for tight bass and low mids. That is why all the boutique companies are mixing speakers these days, and trying to get the best of both worlds.

I read something by someone at Celestion that the Vintage 30 was designed to have the tone of a Celestion G12 Alnico
speaker...only in a 60 watt ceramic magnet format. Never sounded like one to me, but that's what I read. Lew


Originally Posted by FireBros.One of my favorite cabs for high gain stuff, was an old 70's marshall bass 4x12. I'm guessing it had the 55Hz G12H30's?

I would guess much the same thing. I had a couple of Marshall half stacks in the early 70's. Never opened up the cabs to see what was inside though. Celestions for sure...