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What I Like better about the Vox over the Cyber Twin...

Not as deep dialing in the effects and quick and easy to learn and navigate on.
The British Vox/Marshall tones seem better and more convincing to me..
The Univibe setting is cool and the older CT lacks it..
The wattage settings on the back of 1 watt in stereo,15 watt,30 watt,or 60 watts is just too cool...If you set the amp to 1 watt in your bedroom and turn the volume up all the way,you get great tone and very controlable volumes...

Cons about the Vox(There aren't many)
No midi in or out jacks
The pedal effects and the effects overall aren't as good as the Cyber Twin..
Very limited adjustments of effects and the noise gate...
You have to write down your preset names or tone styles on paper or you won't remember whats in each bank and preset? In other words you might not remember whats on Bank 3 Preset 4 unless you write it down that you have a Marshall Plexi tone in that spot..
Once you create your own preset on say Bank 3 Preset 4,you lose the original factory preset that was in that spot unless you do a factory reset..
No footswitch at all..

The Fender Cyber Twin...
Much better Fender clean tones(It's a Fender and it better have)..
Better overall effects and much deeper effects parameters to tweak your effects..
More effects available...More reverbs,delays,echoes,time based stuff..
Midi in and out jacks so you can use alot of different foot controllers..
You can name your presets..
You can easily rewrite back to the factory preset if you don't like your newly made preset...
You can not only pick what style of amp preset you'd like to use,but you can also pick where your gain stages are..Post tone controls or pre-tone controls..You have more overall adjustments of the parameters that effect the tone of the preamp..
Comes with a footswitch so you can access 4 presets..

Cons...
No actual seperate pedals can be added and subtracted from your starting preset tones like on the Vox..

Both amps have great tone and are versatile for the gigging guy who needs alot of tonal variety for different music styles...

The CT has a bigger learning curve but it isn't too hard..

The CT is about twice the price of this Vox head..

I heard great reviews about the vox, so went out and tried a Vox Ad120 but I wasn't too impressed:

- build quality (knobs, plastic, case) looked cheap
- the amp overall sounded quot;darkquot; to me.
- I liked the Dumble sound.
- the effects where ok, but nothing special.
- it wasn't possible to combine certain effect like compressor and auto wha.
- reducing the power output selector, increased the noise of the amp.

Overall, its not that bad but people have been raving about it so I expected more...

I understand the Valvetronix series are based upon the Korg REMS system...I had a a Pandora and it wasn't bad at all. It's funny how a product can have more success if differently packaged and marketed.

I tried a Cyber Twin (first series) and unfortunately couldn't figure out how to put the thing in a quot;manualquot; mode. I thought that I was stupid, but then someone told me that there is no quot;manualquot; mode! However, I thought that there was potential there, but the factory presets are pretty crap.

I tried the Fender Cyber Deluxe and it had a quot;manualquot; mode! It sounded good, even the higher gain stuff people tend to criticise about it.

I am curious to try out the CT properly (with a manual) and the new CT SE.

The Vox is really cheap compared to the CT, though. I have to say that the build quality appearance is proportional as well. I understand Vox is revamping the series by improving quality (the VTX series).

Overall, I think I would go for the CT SE if it cost less. I do

n't really need a quot;real amp substitutequot; just a home recording/practising amp which doesn't take 1/2 hour to warm up.

Marin

I like the vox products too. They are quite sophisticated

Thanks for the review John!


Originally Posted by the_ChrisThanks for the review John!

You're welcome buddy...

I can't speak for the Valvetronix combo,but the head sounds really good through a great cabinet.

You have to shut alot of the quot;showyquot; effects off on the Cyber Twin to get the golden tones from it.You also need good ears and some patience with the CT.Read the manual at least 3 times also..

you couldn't record some A/B samples for us since you have both amps?

Great review John. I think the preset thing would be a deal breaker for me. Especially, not being able to restore a factory preset.

I'm not sure what you meant by this:Originally Posted by STRATDELUXER97Cons...
No actual seperate pedals can be added and subtracted from your starting preset tones like on the Vox..

Could you elaborate on that a bit?

Thanks; Artie

I'd like to know how the marshall tones on the vox compare to your real plexi?


Originally Posted by ledzepp29I'd like to know how the marshall tones on the vox compare to your real plexi?good question!


Originally Posted by ArtieTooGreat review John. I think the preset thing would be a deal breaker for me. Especially, not being able to restore a factory preset.

I'm not sure what you meant by this:
Could you elaborate on that a bit?

Thanks; Artie

The Vox has seperate switchable pedal presets that you can add or subtract from your base preset tones...The CT doesn't...

In other words,say you create a nice BF Fender clean tone and you wanted to add the built in Tube Screamer pedal to that tone...The TS pedal is part of the amp(pedal mode) and can be programmed and turned on and off via the F/C....

The CT doesn't offer actual built in stomp box pedal tones..


Originally Posted by ledzepp29I'd like to know how the marshall tones on the vox compare to your real plexi?

I haven't plugged the Vox into the Marshall V30 4X12 nor have I a/b d the Marshall to the Vox? I get the feeling that the Vox would be very convincing,but would allow for much more overall tweaking because you can add some reverb and delay etc to the Vox's starting tone...

The Vox offers quot;versatilityquot; for us when we gig out and basically I had some money to blow and since I like collecting things,I thought the Vox would be a cool add on to the stuff I currently own...It's a great sounding and great looking amp also! Well worth the $600 I payed for it..I now own Vintage Fender,Marshall,some modern Fender stuff,and this cool Vox head!

John

The best part about getting that amp in the head version is that you can put it on any cab you want. If you haven't yet heard it with the Vin 30 4-12, you're missing out. Thats the best cab for it, for the Tweed, Marshall and Recto tones.


Originally Posted by GearjoneserThe best part about getting that amp in the head version is that you can put it on any cab you want. If you haven't yet heard it with the Vin 30 4-12, you're missing out. Thats the best cab for it, for the Tweed, Marshall and Recto tones.

LOL...I've only had the head for like 3 days! All in good time buddy..

I have read through the manual 3 times and I Know how to work the F/C really well.The rest is all the fun stuff now. Besides,A 4X12 cab is total overkill and the Cyber Twin's Celestion 12s also sound great,plus by having the CT there,I have an automatic backup amp if the Vox quits working..2x12s is more than enough and I Love the sound of an open back cabinet,especially for my clean tones..

John

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