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Yup it's GAS again. My favorite tone-men of all times use Marshalls (Gary Moore, Zakk Wylde...) and I'm thinking, if the POD's JCM800 model doesn't sound like I wish it to, the only solution is a real JCM800. It won't happen for a few years, but I'm curious about this amp and since it seems to be pretty popular and famous, why not just make a thread about it describing its different versions, artist who used them, etc...

What interests me in this is the Zakk Wylde tone. I guess I'd need a 2203 pushed to power tube distortion, and then a boost
Anyhoo, when I graduate, I'll probably go for a 2203 indeed, with a 2X12 and an attenuator. It'd be a killer setup I hope!

So yeah... Post away on the JCM800. Just tell what you want to, I don't have any questions in particular, more like a lot of small ones relative to price, which would best suit me, what speakers sound well with it and more tips on the ZW sound *hint*

Thanks

Have you used the search function? There are stacks of threads on this amp. Should have lots of info for you.

Yup, lots of threads on the 2203/2204.

n short, they were also known as the JMP models before the JCM designation.

ZW's sig model uses 6550 power tubes, his cabs have the EV speakers, and he uses EMG's in his Les Paul. Then you'd need the MXR Wylde Overdrive, MXR Stereo Chorus and rip away. Every single piece I mentioned here, minus the Chorus, has his name on it. Endorsement whore, to say the least. There's more to his pedalboard than the two mentioned but start with the amp.

You don't necessarily need the sig amp, and good luck finding one. They were limited and cost a pretty penny. A vintage 2203/2204 would work great. You could get it re-biased and re-tubed for 6550's if you want. I prefer the EL34's myself.

They're great amps, single channel, master volume. But you need to goose them with an overdrive to really get more of out 'em.

2203s rock...next to a metalface NMV, they are my fave marshalls ever..lots of info around here on them. But THEY ARE LOUD AND NEED TO BE CRANKED AND YOU WILL PISS OFF EVERYONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU DO THAT

As for the POD..don't know which one you have, but with the parametric EQ on the XTL through the ATOMIC it does a damn good 2203 impression at normal voice levels...I just posted a clip over in the clip forum of the XTL 2203through the Atomic. No its not the real thing by a long shot, but all things considered...

And you can even hear Jeff hitting the strings so that goes to show ya, good tones to be had at low volumes there.

The core Zakk tone (from ozzy through early BLS) was his maple necked LP w/EMGs through a Boss OD-1 into vintage JCM800. He has upgraded and added his name to nearly every component as Erik has pointed out, but what learning about his gear way back when taught me is that a few simple ingredients, used in the right way can get you where you want to go. I use an Epi LP with a Custom into a Wylde boost (any boost based off the original Tube Screamer will work) into a Road King set to either full gain on the Brit quot;cleanquot; channel or minimal gain on the Vintage quot;distortionquot; channel. (EL34's of course)

Now (dispite the Av) I don't really look to copy anyone's tone, but if I'm looking for over-the-top sounds like Zakk (less than 10% of the time?) I can get pretty close with what I have.

Kiss and Judas Priest are the definitive JCM 800 tone.....or at least that's what I think of when I think of JCM 800's.

think 80's you think jcm 800

I have a the JCM800 2210 (100 watt channel switching head - with reverb amp; effects loop) circa 1987. Those (and the 2205 - same head but 50 watts) are possibly the best high gain Marshalls ever made.

It is the sound of the 80's before they got cheesy. The 2210 is the amp that Dave Navarro used to record Janes Addiction's quot;Nothing Shockingquot;. Great amp.

The 2203's amp; 2204's are my fave's in the 800 series. One channel, two inputs, and six knobs. I like when things are kept simple. Not a lot of versatility, but I'm not looking for quot;Fenderquot; cleans, when I'm playing a Marshall.

I always thought the difference between the 2203 and 2204 was in the low end. The 2203 just has more thump, which I attributed to the 100 watt output.

However, I have since learned that the 2204 can be improved by installing a better output transformer. Seems Marshall skimped on the OT in the 50 watt variety, but put a good OT in the 100's.

Keep in mind that for most people, a 2203 just makes a ridiculous amount of volume, plus 3dB (making the 2204 merely ridiculous.) So, if you're looking for that tone, but don't play arenas, go for a 2204 and put in a nice aftermarket OT.

At even more reasonable volumes, you might want to read my description of my DIY 18 Watter clone (link in signature, then go to quot;The Workshopquot;). As much as I loved my 2203-into-EV rigs, I like my little quot;13 Watterquot; better. However, I admit I'm not shooting for Zakk tone.

P.S. Look into the 4010 combo, too. Another JCM800 I've owned and loved. A supremely practical amp with monster Marshall tone. And you can always drive a 4x12 with it.

or you could get a splawn..and you wouldn't need a pedal

I don't want Zakk's tone. It's just the one thing that made me want a JCM800, as I believe it'd be the one for the tone I'm looking for. I was just more curious about all the different versions and such.
I have the POD2.0. The model isn't bad, but I don't have enough gain on it for modern very high gain metal.

Well, those amps (2203/2204 specifically) aren't very high gain by today's standards by any means. It takes a nice overdrive, like a Boss SD-1, Ibanez Tube Screamer, MXR Distortion , MXR Wylde Overdrive, or whatever your favorite is, to get more gain, or saturation. That is assuming the amp is still stock. Lots of them were hotrodded to get more gain out them without a pedal. Even stock with an overdrive, it'll still fall short of today's high gain metal levels. It can still do metal, just more 80's metal which had less gain.

Well I consider Zakk's tone to be pretty high gain? And I mean, Slayer, Trivium... They also use this amp right? And I do have an SD1. One last thing to buy I'll first retube my Laney AOR combo and see how it sounds first.

Yes, they do use this amp, but they also use something else that helps get them that gain...aside from having the master up high and an overdrive or distortion out front.....EMG pickups.

PFDarkside: Zakk didn't use the 2203 on quot;No Rest for the Wickedquot;. He was using Metaltronic 100 watt heads and Lee Jackson pre-amps, along with a ton of other crap in the rack. He went back to the Marshalls on quot;No More Tearsquot;. In the studio it was a combo of the 2203/2204 heads and Ampeg VL-1002 head. Live it was the 2203 and the rig has remained pretty much the same since (pedalboard changes here and there).

I have a Bareknuckle Miracle Man, which is basically a Zakk Wylde influenced pickup. The description just had everything I needed... No midscoop, but not overly mid rangy either, tight bass, screaming highs... It's like a passive EMG in Les Paul basically. Pretty hot too.


Originally Posted by PierreI have a Bareknuckle Miracle Man, which is basically a Zakk Wylde influenced pickup. The description just had everything I needed... No midscoop, but not overly mid rangy either, tight bass, screaming highs... It's like a passive EMG in Les Paul basically. Pretty hot too.
I'd love to try one of those out. I've heard sound samples and they sound awesome. If you find some 2203/2204's near you, play your guitar through them. The one thing those amps know how to do, other than give great tone and be loud as hell, is they'll tell you whether your guitar sounds great or sounds like @ss.

My bad Erik. Regardless, when I think of his tone it's EMG, boost, JCM800. Then add in the playing style on top of that (obviously... cue the EVH/Nugent story )

Also as Erik points out, the 800 series is not high gain. When you are running a rig like that (amp full out, OD in front) it's incredibly touchy, you get feedback all over the place. The modern high gain amps give you more gain and are much more controllable.

Last year i bought a beat up early 80's Canadian issue 800 head, a 50 watt single channel version... there was a thread around here about my version of 800... seems they shipped slightly different heads to Canada then the USA..... My head has been souped up and i hate that.... It has a ton of extra noise with it too... I really need to run it into a great tech i know! It also needs to be recovered..... some dummy stripped the black vinyl off it and covered it with some sort of army camo cloth.....Corners are missing. I really need to get cracking on fixing this head up!

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