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I'd like to replace them with better tuners. It has the Klusion style tuners. Does anyone have experience with changing these? I don't want to drill new holes in the guitar and I'd like to stay as close to Klusions as I can.

Does the guitar go out of tune??

If so the problem is more likely the nut than the tuners on the Epiphones.


Originally Posted by ranalliDoes the guitar go out of tune??

If so the problem is more likely the nut than the tuners on the Epiphones.

Yes it does. What would solve the problem then, just a new nut? Or should I choose a different material such as graphite?

Try graphite powder or quot;nut lubequot; before you go dropping the bank for a new nut. Seriously, newer tuners are really good units, for the most part, so most tuning issues are more related to strings binding in slots rather than tuners slipping.

On a related note- I replaced the saddles on one of my guitars with graphite saddles- not only did it exponentially reduce string breakage, it improved tuning problems. It was such a good change I did all my guitars.


Originally Posted by The Golden BoyTry graphite powder or quot;nut lubequot; before you go dropping the bank for a new nut. Seriously, newer tuners are really good units, for the most part, so most tuning issues are more related to strings binding in slots rather than tuners slipping.

On a related note- I replaced the saddles on one of my guitars with graphite saddles- not only did it exponentially reduce string breakage, it improved tuning problems. It was such a good change I did all my guitars.

Well, I do that with my guitars anyway. I put a little pencil lead in the grooves of the nut instead of nut lube.

Gotoh makes Kluson style locking tuners. If the nut isn't the problem, then this is a good solution, as it requires no drilling and will have the same footprint as the one's one your axe now. I replaced the standard Kluson's on my LP Standard with them...and will do so on my Historic soon.

I don't partictularly care for WD music products, but here is the link. kind of hidden under....Hardware amp; Parts: Tuning Machines: Kluson Tuners: go to the 3rd page of Kluson Tuners and they are the last 3 entires. They sure don't want to sell them too badly with that product placement.

I had a Gothic '58 Epi V with the Gotoh-made Klusons, and it stayed in tune extremely well. Ask GAWA

Grover also makes those tuners but the Gotohs have a higher ratio so they are more accurate. Go for the Gotoh.

I don't know about nowadays, but the Klusons that were on Epiphones a few (think like 5) years ago were a different size than the ones used on Gibsons. They were larger so that the footprint was the same size on the back, but the hole for the bushings was much larger so the Gibson ones kind of quot;floatedquot; in the hole.