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Is it worth it...Ive heard all the talk about why it wont or shouldnt sound right, but who has done it and can submit forth concrete proof?

I'm running a Duoverb Head on top of a pair or 1974 Standel/Gibson 2X12 cabs that are loaded with 1974 Eminence 25W Alnico horseshoe magnet speakers. This makes for a fantastic 1/2 stack and sounds great. I have also ran the amp thru a Line 6 2X12, and a Marshall 1960A 4X12. All of these setups have their oan voice. Running the Line 6 cab is closer to what you get running the amp direct into a PA or recording setup, and the Standel/Gibson and Marshall cabs lend their oan unique voice. Experiment and see what you like.

I've heard the argument from modeling companies.....that flat speakers are better for models, since they're more neutral. Sounds good in theory.

Then, I plug my Vox Valvetronix head into my Bogner and Marshall cabs, which have different combinations of Celestion Vin 30, H-30, and G-75's. Guess what? REAL cabinets sound better than cheap modeling amp cabinets w/licensed flat sounding speakers!

I agree with GJ 100%. When I A/B'd a Valvetronics AD120VTX combo with the Celestion Neo's with both my Eminence loaded 2x12 and a V30 loaded 2x12 it was a very noticeable improvement in tone with the cabs. The Vintage 30's especially sounded great. Not that the Neo's sound bad or cheap, they are good speakers....and freaking expensive.
Originally Posted by GearjoneserI've heard the argument from modeling companies.....that flat speakers are better for models, since they're more neutral. Sounds good in theory.
Then, I plug my Vox Valvetronix head into my Bogner and Marshall cabs, which have different combinations of Celestion Vin 30, H-30, and G-75's. Guess what? REAL cabinets sound better than cheap modeling amp cabinets w/licensed flat sounding speakers!
Thanks...guess its worth a try......

I think a person can be a fan of tube amps AND modeling amps. They both have their strong points and weak points.

I think I'm a big fan of modeling amp heads, rather than combos or POD/Tonelabs.
Heads are compact enough to take anywhere, they can be used as a POD, and you're not limited by it's own cabinet.


Originally Posted by GearjoneserI think a person can be a fan of tube amps AND modeling amps. They both have their strong points and weak points.

I think I'm a big fan of modeling amp heads, rather than combos or POD/Tonelabs.
Heads are compact enough to take anywhere, they can be used as a POD, and you're not limited by it's own cabinet.GJ,

If somebody wanted to pickup a modeling head for use at rehearsal, and maybe small shows, what is a good one to look at? The thought of NOT playing through a good old fasion tube amp scares me a little but...it would be far easier for somethings!

The last word that I had from Johnson (you remember those Johnson modeling amps from about 7-8 years ago?) was that quot;middle-of-the-roadquot; speakers work the best for these amps. I'm thinking that they don't necessarily mean quot;cheapquot; speakers, but more like full range, non-specialty speakers.

Flat-response speakers will work better if you want to use the cab modelling as well. However, running my PODxt through a power amp into a 2x12 with V30s sounds absolutely great with the cab modelling off.

Not to put words in GJ's mouth but I think that he will agree that the Vox Valvetronics 60 mono and 120 Stereo heads are pretty hard to beat. Lots of high quality tones and very resonably priced.

Originally Posted by the guy who invented fireGJ,
If somebody wanted to pickup a modeling head for use at rehearsal, and maybe small shows, what is a good one to look at? The thought of NOT playing through a good old fasion tube amp scares me a little but...it would be far easier for somethings!