How would a 59n sound different then a SLn in a Les Paul style guitar using a high gain amp (i.e Mesa Boogie Rectoverb). FYI, I have a 59b and I really love the sound of the 59b. I Like the sound of the SLn too, but curious about a 59n.
Thanks.
59n would probably have just a touch more overall output but the Seth Lover n would be warmer and fatter.
Originally Posted by Zhangliqun59n would probably have just a touch more overall output but the Seth Lover n would be warmer and fatter.
Thanks. Yeah, I think the 59n may be bright. I don't like bright. The SLn is very warm. A neck pickup is generally brighter than the bridge because the strings have more room to vibrate, true?
59N would have more bass and highs and the Seth would have more mids. The 59N is not to bright...not at all. Lew
Originally Posted by Lewguitar59N would have more bass and highs and the Seth would have more mids. The 59N is not to bright...not at all. Lew
Ok, so bright is not a concern, thanks. Well I really like my setup now ~ SLn/59b. I just really like the 59b and wonder what a 59n would sould like. Would a 59n sound just like the 59b?
Originally Posted by As You GoThanks. Yeah, I think the 59n may be bright. I don't like bright. The SLn is very warm. A neck pickup is generally brighter than the bridge because the strings have more room to vibrate, true?
Where the pickup sits under the string determines its basic tone, true, but you have it backwards. The bridge pickup is always brighter because it is near the end of the string where the high frequencies are dominant. The neck pickup is closer to the middle of the string where, as you say, the string vibrates wider -- so you get the longer waves (lower frequencies).
This is why the neck version of a particular model is almost always designed to be lower output because there is plenty of vibration for it to pickup (sometimes they're even, as with the original PAF's and Gibson's 57 Classics, etc). The bridge version is wound hotter or at least uses a hotter magnet to make up for the relative lack of vibration toward the end of the string and add some beef and low end that the bridge position lacks.
Originally Posted by As You GoOk, so bright is not a concern, thanks. Well I really like my setup now ~ SLn/59b. I just really like the 59b and wonder what a 59n would sould like. Would a 59n sound just like the 59b?
They are very similar as you would expect but not quite the same. The bridge model (8.13k officially) is wound a little hotter than the neck model (7.43k) so it will have a little more output and a lower peak frequency (less sharp sound when the pick hits the string, more mid or bass).
You could conceivably use two 59b's and get a good sound too, since 8.13k is fairly low DC resistance, if that's what you're asking, but the 59n would give better balance and be a little sweeter in the neck position.
Keep in mind that no neck pickup is going to sound the same as a bridge pickup, because of where each sits relative to the length of the string.
You could take the very same pickup, install it in the bridge and then pull it out and install it in the neck position and it will sound very different because it is picking up very different frequencies at each position. There is much more bass as you move toward the middle (12th fret) of the string and much more treble as you move toward the end (bridge or nut).
Originally Posted by ZhangliqunWhere the pickup sits under the string determines its basic tone, true, but you have it backwards. The bridge pickup is always brighter because it is near the end of the string where the high frequencies are dominant. The neck pickup is closer to the middle of the string where, as you say, the string vibrates wider -- so you get the longer waves (lower frequencies).
This is why the neck version of a particular model is almost always designed to be lower output because there is plenty of vibration for it to pickup (sometimes they're even, as with the original PAF's and Gibson's 57 Classics, etc). The bridge version is wound hotter or at least uses a hotter magnet to make up for the relative lack of vibration toward the end of the string and add some beef and low end that the bridge position lacks.
Exactly.
Originally Posted by Lewguitar59N would have more bass and highs and the Seth would have more mids.
Yup. I find the '59n a little too bassy for my tastes in a Les Paul. The Seth is perfect for me. It still has plenty of highs, but the highs are smoother than the '59's.
Thanks.
59n would probably have just a touch more overall output but the Seth Lover n would be warmer and fatter.
Originally Posted by Zhangliqun59n would probably have just a touch more overall output but the Seth Lover n would be warmer and fatter.
Thanks. Yeah, I think the 59n may be bright. I don't like bright. The SLn is very warm. A neck pickup is generally brighter than the bridge because the strings have more room to vibrate, true?
59N would have more bass and highs and the Seth would have more mids. The 59N is not to bright...not at all. Lew
Originally Posted by Lewguitar59N would have more bass and highs and the Seth would have more mids. The 59N is not to bright...not at all. Lew
Ok, so bright is not a concern, thanks. Well I really like my setup now ~ SLn/59b. I just really like the 59b and wonder what a 59n would sould like. Would a 59n sound just like the 59b?
Originally Posted by As You GoThanks. Yeah, I think the 59n may be bright. I don't like bright. The SLn is very warm. A neck pickup is generally brighter than the bridge because the strings have more room to vibrate, true?
Where the pickup sits under the string determines its basic tone, true, but you have it backwards. The bridge pickup is always brighter because it is near the end of the string where the high frequencies are dominant. The neck pickup is closer to the middle of the string where, as you say, the string vibrates wider -- so you get the longer waves (lower frequencies).
This is why the neck version of a particular model is almost always designed to be lower output because there is plenty of vibration for it to pickup (sometimes they're even, as with the original PAF's and Gibson's 57 Classics, etc). The bridge version is wound hotter or at least uses a hotter magnet to make up for the relative lack of vibration toward the end of the string and add some beef and low end that the bridge position lacks.
Originally Posted by As You GoOk, so bright is not a concern, thanks. Well I really like my setup now ~ SLn/59b. I just really like the 59b and wonder what a 59n would sould like. Would a 59n sound just like the 59b?
They are very similar as you would expect but not quite the same. The bridge model (8.13k officially) is wound a little hotter than the neck model (7.43k) so it will have a little more output and a lower peak frequency (less sharp sound when the pick hits the string, more mid or bass).
You could conceivably use two 59b's and get a good sound too, since 8.13k is fairly low DC resistance, if that's what you're asking, but the 59n would give better balance and be a little sweeter in the neck position.
Keep in mind that no neck pickup is going to sound the same as a bridge pickup, because of where each sits relative to the length of the string.
You could take the very same pickup, install it in the bridge and then pull it out and install it in the neck position and it will sound very different because it is picking up very different frequencies at each position. There is much more bass as you move toward the middle (12th fret) of the string and much more treble as you move toward the end (bridge or nut).
Originally Posted by ZhangliqunWhere the pickup sits under the string determines its basic tone, true, but you have it backwards. The bridge pickup is always brighter because it is near the end of the string where the high frequencies are dominant. The neck pickup is closer to the middle of the string where, as you say, the string vibrates wider -- so you get the longer waves (lower frequencies).
This is why the neck version of a particular model is almost always designed to be lower output because there is plenty of vibration for it to pickup (sometimes they're even, as with the original PAF's and Gibson's 57 Classics, etc). The bridge version is wound hotter or at least uses a hotter magnet to make up for the relative lack of vibration toward the end of the string and add some beef and low end that the bridge position lacks.
Exactly.
Originally Posted by Lewguitar59N would have more bass and highs and the Seth would have more mids.
Yup. I find the '59n a little too bassy for my tastes in a Les Paul. The Seth is perfect for me. It still has plenty of highs, but the highs are smoother than the '59's.
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