A few years ago i bought a bunch of used MIM strats for dirt cheap.... 2 of them drove me crazy for weird sounds... The first one i found easy as it was a loose Vintage style Tuner on a Tex Mex strat... replaced the tuner and the weird buzzing and strange noises went away...
The 2nd strat has been a longer haul.. I picked up a 1999 MIM Standard Strat oneday for $200... Perfect mint shape... But i have noticed some pretty weird overtone type noises... weird stuff that i could never explain or find the sorce.... Last night i had that strat in my hands at 2am just struming away with no amp and no background noises.... I heard a weird ringing noise while strumming and figured out it was G and D notes that really made it ring loudest...
Turns out the G string above the nut is ringing out when i play certian notes and chords.... This is being picked up be the amp.... The string rings inbetween the nut and the tuner...
Question... what is causing this and how do i go about fixing the problem.... ? Could it be a bad nut slot? I was thinking the easiest way to fix it was to add another string tree to the D and G strings as Fender ships their MIM without them... But i really do not want to add another string tree... any ideas what i should do?
WHOFAN
i had a similar problem with a past guitar. it was just a slightly loose truss rod so a slight turn on it to snug it up got rid of it. it wasn't loose to the point of rattling just causing and overtone. have you tried that yet?
-Mike
Originally Posted by XSSIVEi had a similar problem with a past guitar. it was just a slightly loose truss rod so a slight turn on it to snug it up got rid of it. it wasn't loose to the point of rattling just causing and overtone. have you tried that yet?
-Mike
Ya..... The G string is ringing out above the nut for unknown reasons.... No rattles or buzzes... it rings along with notes i'm playing on the guitar
It's likely that the nut slots are a tiny bit too wide, and since the string isn't seated in a rounded slot, it's vibrating there. Or, the angle of the nut slot is too low on the headstock side, and it's causing vibration in the nut. It's usually one of those things, where it may be worth it to pay $45 and have someone put a perfectly cut bone nut in there, and solve the problem immediately.
Strings will vibrate when set into resonance. You may be playing a note that the frequency of the quot;Gquot; string in between the nut and the turner is a multiple of that, and it will set the string into vibration. To prove this, place your guitar flat on a table, fold a small piece of paper and let it saddle on the quot;Gquot; string in between the neck and the bridge, and play the quot;Gquot; note on the 4th string without touching the quot;Gquot; string. If you tuned your guitar right, the quot;Gquot; string will be set in to resonance and start vibrating, which will cause the paper to jump on the string and may even jump off from it.
The best way to take care of your problem is probably the way you suggested: add another string tree, or may be you can change the gage of the strings and see if that makes any difference.
could you just stick somethin in there to muffle it?
Originally Posted by flankcould you just stick somethin in there to muffle it?
thought of that... i'll take the guitar into the local shop this week and just slightly touch the G string nut slot with a file.. the local store lets me use their tools as i used to work there for a few months...
Originally Posted by WhoFanthought of that... i'll take the guitar into the local shop this week and just slightly touch the G string nut slot with a file.. the local store lets me use their tools as i used to work there for a few months...
If the slot is already too wide I don't think that will help.
I have a similar problem with my acoustic and I've pretty much determined that the nut slot is too wide. It's a visible gap on mine though.
Originally Posted by TheArchitectIf the slot is already too wide I don't think that will help.
Ya i thought of that.... may try the super glue trick for a quick fix..... I need to replace the nuts on a few of my other strats.... I have a few tech friends that have offered to help me replace them.
WHOFAN
Originally Posted by WhoFan
Turns out the G string above the nut is ringing out when i play certian notes and chords.... This is being picked up be the amp.... The string rings inbetween the nut and the tuner...
WHOFAN
What's happening here is that the string has no string tree so it is passing over the nut at too shallow an angle. The pulse which you send up to the nut when you pluck the string is not being fully reflected back down the string but is passing through the nut, creating an atonal harmonic which is being fed back into the strings harmonic spectrum. It will also be reducing sustain..
The solution is simply to fit a string tree.
This is the same problem that the LSR roller nut experienced and which the designers cured by putting a little rubber block behind the ball bearings, unfortunately restoring all the friction they had hoped to eliminate in the process...
Thanks for the info OctaveDoctor
WHOFAN
The 2nd strat has been a longer haul.. I picked up a 1999 MIM Standard Strat oneday for $200... Perfect mint shape... But i have noticed some pretty weird overtone type noises... weird stuff that i could never explain or find the sorce.... Last night i had that strat in my hands at 2am just struming away with no amp and no background noises.... I heard a weird ringing noise while strumming and figured out it was G and D notes that really made it ring loudest...
Turns out the G string above the nut is ringing out when i play certian notes and chords.... This is being picked up be the amp.... The string rings inbetween the nut and the tuner...
Question... what is causing this and how do i go about fixing the problem.... ? Could it be a bad nut slot? I was thinking the easiest way to fix it was to add another string tree to the D and G strings as Fender ships their MIM without them... But i really do not want to add another string tree... any ideas what i should do?
WHOFAN
i had a similar problem with a past guitar. it was just a slightly loose truss rod so a slight turn on it to snug it up got rid of it. it wasn't loose to the point of rattling just causing and overtone. have you tried that yet?
-Mike
Originally Posted by XSSIVEi had a similar problem with a past guitar. it was just a slightly loose truss rod so a slight turn on it to snug it up got rid of it. it wasn't loose to the point of rattling just causing and overtone. have you tried that yet?
-Mike
Ya..... The G string is ringing out above the nut for unknown reasons.... No rattles or buzzes... it rings along with notes i'm playing on the guitar
It's likely that the nut slots are a tiny bit too wide, and since the string isn't seated in a rounded slot, it's vibrating there. Or, the angle of the nut slot is too low on the headstock side, and it's causing vibration in the nut. It's usually one of those things, where it may be worth it to pay $45 and have someone put a perfectly cut bone nut in there, and solve the problem immediately.
Strings will vibrate when set into resonance. You may be playing a note that the frequency of the quot;Gquot; string in between the nut and the turner is a multiple of that, and it will set the string into vibration. To prove this, place your guitar flat on a table, fold a small piece of paper and let it saddle on the quot;Gquot; string in between the neck and the bridge, and play the quot;Gquot; note on the 4th string without touching the quot;Gquot; string. If you tuned your guitar right, the quot;Gquot; string will be set in to resonance and start vibrating, which will cause the paper to jump on the string and may even jump off from it.
The best way to take care of your problem is probably the way you suggested: add another string tree, or may be you can change the gage of the strings and see if that makes any difference.
could you just stick somethin in there to muffle it?
Originally Posted by flankcould you just stick somethin in there to muffle it?
thought of that... i'll take the guitar into the local shop this week and just slightly touch the G string nut slot with a file.. the local store lets me use their tools as i used to work there for a few months...
Originally Posted by WhoFanthought of that... i'll take the guitar into the local shop this week and just slightly touch the G string nut slot with a file.. the local store lets me use their tools as i used to work there for a few months...
If the slot is already too wide I don't think that will help.
I have a similar problem with my acoustic and I've pretty much determined that the nut slot is too wide. It's a visible gap on mine though.
Originally Posted by TheArchitectIf the slot is already too wide I don't think that will help.
Ya i thought of that.... may try the super glue trick for a quick fix..... I need to replace the nuts on a few of my other strats.... I have a few tech friends that have offered to help me replace them.
WHOFAN
Originally Posted by WhoFan
Turns out the G string above the nut is ringing out when i play certian notes and chords.... This is being picked up be the amp.... The string rings inbetween the nut and the tuner...
WHOFAN
What's happening here is that the string has no string tree so it is passing over the nut at too shallow an angle. The pulse which you send up to the nut when you pluck the string is not being fully reflected back down the string but is passing through the nut, creating an atonal harmonic which is being fed back into the strings harmonic spectrum. It will also be reducing sustain..
The solution is simply to fit a string tree.
This is the same problem that the LSR roller nut experienced and which the designers cured by putting a little rubber block behind the ball bearings, unfortunately restoring all the friction they had hoped to eliminate in the process...
Thanks for the info OctaveDoctor
WHOFAN
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